If you don't found a religion, is there any reason to create faith?
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Great people.
Theocracy to buy units.
Other people's religious abilities to buy stuff (lookin' at you here, Meeting House, Wat, and Jesuit Education).
Theocracy to buy units.
Other people's religious abilities to buy stuff (lookin' at you here, Meeting House, Wat, and Jesuit Education).
This, basically. A strong faith generation just frees up your Gold and Production pool to spend on buildings or other things.
Even if you just use it for rushing Great People it's useful. Not useful enough to prioritise Holy Sites, but you can usually get some Faith from a couple of sources.
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Also, it's the only way to buy Naturalists in order to make National Parks, which are useful for Cultural Victories.
SammyKhalifa
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I am having the hardest time making the faith buildings be worth the effort (even if i do have a religion) . . .
Early game meeting houses are a gift from whatever pantheon of gods you believe in 
Especially if you got a no-hills start.
Especially if you got a no-hills start.
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I guess, but you have to build a whole lot of stuff in order to get that two production.Early game meeting houses are a gift from whatever pantheon of gods you believe in
For Indonesia you can use it to create a Navy.
Scaramanga
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You could martyr some apostles for relics. Good luck getting Mont Saint-Michel on Emperor. If you become suzerain of Yerevan it's pretty simple though.
Theocracy civic is a quick beeline though, as opposed to apprenticeship, which can sometimes require some trickery (especially in those low-hill-starts).
Of course, like I've mentioned, I only recently realized I'm weird when I found out less than 9% of people have won a religious victory and like 3/4 of my wins are religious
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ha, I didn't say they weren't good, just that I couldn't make it work.Theocracy civic is a quick beeline though, as opposed to apprenticeship, which can sometimes require some trickery (especially in those low-hill-starts).
Of course, like I've mentioned, I only recently realized I'm weird when I found out less than 9% of people have won a religious victory and like 3/4 of my wins are religious
I'm not patient enough when it comes to try to converting cities. I say i'm going to play a religious game but then that fizzles out way ahead of time. The only one I got was a duel map, religious only, playing against Kongo just for the achievement.Theocracy civic is a quick beeline though, as opposed to apprenticeship, which can sometimes require some trickery (especially in those low-hill-starts).
Of course, like I've mentioned, I only recently realized I'm weird when I found out less than 9% of people have won a religious victory and like 3/4 of my wins are religious
The game didn't call me out for cheating. I'm sure I'll eventually win one for "real."
That's probably got something to do with it. I play Civ as a "relaxing" game and CK2 as my "campaigns", so I play on tiny or duel maps with extra civs (usually 6 civs on duel, 8-10 on tiny) and games last 4-6 hours tops, so a religious victory isn't out of the bounds of the possible for me.I'm not patient enough when it comes to try to converting cities. I say i'm going to play a religious game but then that fizzles out way ahead of time. The only one I got was a duel map, religious only, playing against Kongo just for the achievement.
The game didn't call me out for cheating. I'm sure I'll eventually win one for "real."
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Like from all those Holy Sites the AI builds while you are building an army.
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Yeah, I had a really good one going with Arabia--had my whole continent converted with lots and lots of faith and people left, and it was only a matter of time before I would be able to get the last two civs. Then I realized what a boring chore that would be and abandoned the game, haha. I had already done the "fun" part of getting the engine going.I'm not patient enough when it comes to try to converting cities. I say i'm going to play a religious game but then that fizzles out way ahead of time. The only one I got was a duel map, religious only, playing against Kongo just for the achievement.
The game didn't call me out for cheating. I'm sure I'll eventually win one for "real."
That must feel like a cramped world. I already feel cramped on a standard map with eight others plus city states.
My best was with Russia and I got a large desert north of me with a mountain range. I got Desert Folklore and built several good Lavras next to the range. I had no competition from Arabia, I quickly converted him before he could really get his religion going. Gandhi was farther away though and I wasn't patient enough to deal with the other side of the world.
Lily_Lancer
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No reason.
But Holy Sites themselves seem pretty good at Rise and Fall since they provide +100% Science( from policy)
But Holy Sites themselves seem pretty good at Rise and Fall since they provide +100% Science( from policy)
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JFD's rise and fall does something pretty smart, after you found a religion or all religions are founded you can get great theologians with GP points, they work like other great people and give various bonuses.
Anyways there should be some incentives for civs to go on with religion even if you did not found one, for instance you could get more of the belief bonuses if you decide to make it your civ's official religion after being converted.
Aside from all this great people patronage is the only reason.
Anyways there should be some incentives for civs to go on with religion even if you did not found one, for instance you could get more of the belief bonuses if you decide to make it your civ's official religion after being converted.
Aside from all this great people patronage is the only reason.
The only reason i would ever consider to build a holy site. 100% more science? what the hell..
criZp
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that's with some dark age policy
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