Immigration

[BorderPatrol]

From the GameSpot Review :

When you start to have a high number of culture points, other civilizations will grow envious of you, making it much easier for you to encroach on them. However, you must be aware that individual citizens are given nationalities, so even if you manage to take over another city with culture, there's a strong possibility that a few citizens will start to revolt or head back to a city controlled by their own civilization.

Wouldn't be really cool if you had a lot better culture than a neighboring civ if their people started jumping in rafts and heading for your territory? Of course though, if you cross the border, you better have your green card!

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[hannibol43]

Immigration would be a good idea. The thing that I am a little cautious about is that culture not make it too difficult for a civ. I mean if you are lacking in the cultural dept because of some war and another neighbor who wasn't fighting has great culture I wouldn't want my population to continue to decrease while I was trying to rebuild. If it made my grow go down a little okay but if it took too many it would just be unfair.

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"Hannibol Ad Portas!"

[This message has been edited by hannibol43 (edited May 21, 2001).]

 

[Zeus]

I see the problem with that, but I think that people don't really immigrate to a country because it is civilized, they just don't like the country they are in because it is uncivilized.

I mean if you're country has an "acceptable" level of culture, you're going to stay there because it is YOUR country, you aren't just going to leave for something better unless there is a serious problem with your country.
I think this would solve the problem with war because as long as you don't sell of all of your cultural imporvements, you should still have enough to make your people want to stay.

 

[Squirrel2004]

Immigration would be great. It should run on who has the better demographics and by how much. If your literacy is 90%, your disease is 7%, and you Per Capita Income is moderately high; and your neighbor is lit of 76%, disease of 16%, and PCI is half yours, then flocks of peeps are comin your way.

Squirrel2004

PS
of course, you should want to have many big ports!!!

Also, read my topic about climate and stuff!

[This message has been edited by Squirrel2004 (edited May 31, 2001).]

 

[gjts00]

Well I live in Arizona, I see plenty of immigration (most of it illegal). The last thing that I want, is to have to deal with that s*it in a game. With consideration give to my sensitive opinion on this topic, I would gladly sacrifice realism in order to keep this possibility out.

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Listen, strange women lying around in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system government.

 

[BorderPatrol]

Originally posted by gjts00:

Well I live in Arizona, I see plenty of immigration (most of it illegal). The last thing that I want, is to have to deal with that s*it in a game. With consideration give to my sensitive opinion on this topic, I would gladly sacrifice realism in order to keep this possibility out.

But gjts00 if they put it in the game then YOU can do something about it! I imagine that in AZ you have pretty much no say over what happens with immigration but in a game YOU WOULD BE IN CONTROL. You could also have the ability to turn this option off I hope, again YOU would be in control!

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[Xenophon]

I believe that if an influx of low culture citizens hits your civ, i should slightly lower your culture a little. A bunch of opossum eat'n wife beat'n Hillbillies can't be good for fine arts. This natural reduction in your culture would slow the tides of huddled masses and prevent the devastion of border civs.

Long live Sparta.

 

[Admiral]

No way Xenophon, I rekkon immigration would push your culture rating higher, because the indigenous population would be exposed to new ideas and what have you.

 

[Xenophon]

Admiral, I just propose this to keep highly developed cultures from assimilating the less refined ones. Can anyone say Native Americans? I live in an area that Jackson sent some of the "Civilized Tribes" to and the culture is almost gone. Very sad. The tradional ways of entire populations are now subject to American POP culture.

Long live Sparta.

 

[Admiral]

I suppose so - but I was basing what I said on Britain where there are many different people from all around the world and who have kept their culture.

So I guess it depends on a number of things including government policy whether you encourage migrants to keep their culture or if you want to fully immerse them in "the American dream".

 

[gjts00]

Originally posted by BorderPatrol:
Originally posted by gjts00:

Well I live in Arizona, I see plenty of immigration (most of it illegal). The last thing that I want, is to have to deal with that s*it in a game. With consideration give to my sensitive opinion on this topic, I would gladly sacrifice realism in order to keep this possibility out.

But gjts00 if they put it in the game then YOU can do something about it! I imagine that in AZ you have pretty much no say over what happens with immigration but in a game YOU WOULD BE IN CONTROL. You could also have the ability to turn this option off I hope, again YOU would be in control! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

That hadn't occured to me, thanks for showing me the light BP.

That would be fun, if the player was given control over imigration policies. I guess that I need to get a hold of Pat Buchanan for some tips.

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Listen, strange women lying around in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system government.

 

[BorderPatrol]

Originally posted by gjts00:

That hadn't occured to me, thanks for showing me the light BP. That would be fun, if the player was given control over imigration policies. I guess that I need to get a hold of Pat Buchanan for some tips.

Heh, gjts00 maybe you can make Pat Buchanan one of your super leaders, or whatever they are called. <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0> <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif" border=0>

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[This message has been edited by BorderPatrol (edited June 05, 2001).]

 

[gjts00]

I'll definitely give it a shot BP...lol

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Listen, strange women lying around in ponds, distributing swords is no basis for a system government.

 

[Omega the Great]

well i would have my nation like the soviet union. there would be only one culture the culture i choose and if you don't compile you can go else where. the last thing a nation needs is ethnic groups running amuck and undermining your way of life. if your culture assimilates a lesser one then your society will degenerate much like the united states has.

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[Legionaire]

HAHAHAH the U.S diversity is its greatest strength

 

[socrateach]

Perhaps, Omega, but it's worse than that--we're dragging everyone else *along with us* into the cultural . . . dumpster! Sometimes mass communication is not such a great thing.

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[TheDuckOfFlanders]

by legionair:

HAHAHAH the U.S diversity is its greatest strength

Well i think that is a very big misunderstanding. Surely ,if you go to the big cities, you will see that there are a lot of etnic ghetto's.Of them a lot of POOR ghetto's ,and people living there tend to use their subculters to distanciate themself from others.This way ,they tend to hate others and help eachother ,even in crime.
And u cant say that every etnical group gets the same chances to bring their cultere to attention.
America's main-culture is not very culturaly diverse. Its mainly a white man's culture.
America's culture is mainly inherreted from European culture's.Other inherreted culture's
in america don't get a lot of respect (ask the black or indian man)
In that sense ,i think this factor's deteriates the nationalism and unity.
American cultere is (to my oppinion) so unrattified.It's a loose concept build on capitalism and holywood ,and once the american people will understand this ,it will be a sad day for the U.S
But then again ,america is only 200 years old ,so it doesnt have the cultural herratisch that Europe or China has.

I never wana live in america:
1) no social security whatsoever
2) huge crime and corruption
3) overkapitalistic culture (the american dream ,yeah right

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4)The first country to be nuked (in other words: world enemy number one)
5)The most warlike "peacefighting" country
6)FAT MAN culture.Thanks to tellevision America is twice as heavy than other country's.
7)It has more criminals than my country has people.
8)unrealistic stock exchange's.
(NEW ECONOMY )(nasdaq=major SPAM)
9)the puratism & christian fanatism. Oh God.'Bad words are so naughty.You will go to hell'.
You cant even say words like horsehockey or slobby pussy without being commented on it.
Here in Europe we realy dont give a flying ****.And why would you.Does censorchip really help?
10)Phoney pollitics (two party system: you can vote cat or dog ,but all stays the same. American companies hold the real power anyway.You dont live in a democracy ,you live in a corperate tyranie.You play the system ,or you break.And the system gets harder and harder.

Finaly: THE COUNTRY OF OPPORTUNATIE

just dont let me get started about that one.

First thing that i would do if i lived in america? I would leave it.

 

[stormerne]

<FONT COLOR="red">Well Duck, if you don't want to leave this forum you'd better stop trashing other people's culture. Most of what you are saying is not fact, it is merely your personal opinion, and it has nothing to do with the title of this thread. You want to to do that, you go and start a new thread in Off-Topic.</FONT c>

This is a really interesting topic. Let's get back to it.



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[TheDuckOfFlanders]

OK you have a point there ,i'm sorry.

I just had to say my oppinion about that ,but it wasn't the right way.

Still i belief in my oppinion as true.

And i do think that a lot of the things i said were a fact.(i can give you real figures)
But a discussion about that would be pointless.

I'm aschamed of my previous reaction.

But about the immigration. If civ's get more immigrants due to culture ,won't it improve his culture ,making it possible to even assimilate more immigrants from the other now weaker civ's.
With other words ,if a civ has the cultural lead once, he will have it for the rest of the time?

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

And what about a berlin wall wonder keeping the emmigrants inside?