Nobody
Gangster
Are you trying to scare us into a war of agression?
What evidence is there of the great cultural threat represented by Tenochititlan?
Lets send a diplomat (Haniki Blixitaka) to go and investigate the culture of this city?
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Are you trying to scare us into a war of agression?
What evidence is there of the great cultural threat represented by Tenochititlan?
Lets send a diplomat (Haniki Blixitaka) to go and investigate the culture of this city?
blackheart
unenlightened
What is really the point of this? There isn't hard evidence to back up this claim of Aztec culturaly victory. Are we going to lash out and kill anyone who even present a remote challenge to our histograph victory? Wouldn't that be what is called embryonicism? The MSAV speaks of democratizing and calling for a more challenging game, and then ends up wanting to crush anyone that presents any sort of opposition.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Well, you are against freeing workers Blackheart, so we seek different challenges I see.
I am just presenting this as a real threat, and you are free to ignore it if you want.
I presented a problem and a remedy that is all. But for what I care Blackheart, if you want Tenochtitlan to get 20 000 culture before our histograph victory, I will cite you on this at that day.
I am just presenting this as a real threat, and you are free to ignore it if you want.
I presented a problem and a remedy that is all. But for what I care Blackheart, if you want Tenochtitlan to get 20 000 culture before our histograph victory, I will cite you on this at that day.
blackheart
unenlightened
Provolution said:
I'm against freeing workers?
You sure could have fooled me!
Cite me on that day, I'll stand by what I say. Unless you can provide evidence that Tenochtitlan is a real immediate threat, then my stance stands. Would we stop at Tenochtitlan or go further? That's the question.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Tenochtitlan would be the only operation this term proposed from my desk.
And I propose to give it back when their culture is nullified.
And I propose to give it back when their culture is nullified.
Epimethius
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It is rape. You intend to essentially steal something from them, destroy it, and hand it back. That seems pretty close to diplomatic rape to me. The only difference is you're going to say they came on to you. To use another metaphor, you're stealing candy from a baby, eating it, giving back the wrapper, and then saying we just disarmed a great threat.
Its perfectly easy for us to find out if Provo is just making this up. It does cost us 148 gold, though.
Its perfectly easy for us to find out if Provo is just making this up. It does cost us 148 gold, though.
blackheart
unenlightened
Oh, but they have WMDs!
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Well, that is the job of culture to find out if there are any cultural threats.
Since people voted against the defensible border plan, we now got Akkad eating away our tiles, now getting the Babylonians Cavalry.
Since people voted against the defensible border plan, we now got Akkad eating away our tiles, now getting the Babylonians Cavalry.
blackheart
unenlightened
Provolution said:
Darn the people! It's everyones fault that Babylon has greater culture than us.
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Epimethius said:
It also takes us a 0-Turn "turnchat" to execute that option.
Fortunately, discussion has been initiated.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
blackheart said:
Well, if we built a city we named "Horseport", the Babylonians would be behind the moutains, end of story) Yet, there is some culture building going on, but the challenge is to build enough culture, without getting a cultural win.
Nobody
Gangster
calm down, Lets just investigate the city. 148 gold is far cheaper than war.
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Well said, Nobody.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Exactly Nobody and Ashburnham, I pointed out a potential thread, well founded in their concentration of wonders in Tenochtitlan. Since we are going for a Diplomatic or Histographic win, only a military expedition can stop that culture from reaching a treshhold at a certain state. This is not even watchlisting, but a determinant, as such a city is likely to get a culture win BEFORE histograph victory. But I am NOT SUPRISED to see that old Epimethius is seeking to smudge me in his hazy smoke of accusations.
My job is to provide the military remedy to that threat, if indeed Tenochtitlan can get there. If not, we would have spent 148 gold to avert that war.
My job is to provide the military remedy to that threat, if indeed Tenochtitlan can get there. If not, we would have spent 148 gold to avert that war.
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Provolution said:
Dude, you're talking about going into an innocent country, taking something, stomping on it, and then giving it back. And making it look like they started it. And giving away luxuries and techs in the process. You shouldn't be surprised I'm objecting. As for smudging you, I just noticed all the spam in the polls forum, and didn't quite take to it. And then I see your war idea...
Actually, Provo, that idea first came from over by all the smoke.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Well Epimetheus, any other option than a military strike in Tenochtitlan if they get cityculturewin BEFORE our histographic victory (very end). I think a mutual protection act with America is the way to go, and then we stomp out Tenochtitlan the first day they get in.
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Provo, given how close Russia is holding Nationalism, MPPs will be a focus of Term 5.
TimBentley
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Actually, we still have more than twice the culture of Babylon. Only local culture matters in regard to cultural borders.blackheart said:
blackheart
unenlightened
We could always nuke the Aztecs.
lurker's comment: I just can't resist:
I'm very surprised. A heated debate and nobody did the obvious: take AlanH's 20k spreadsheat, put in the build dates of Oracle and Sun Tzu (taken from the F7 screen) and learn that these Wonders are far from "guaranteeing the 20k win". In other words: they will contribute less than 5000 culture points till 2050.
If you want to know how a 20k city looks, have a look:
PS: To do a good job, you can make educated guesses on when which culture enabling technology became available (before you made contact) and retrieve the information from the posts afterwards. Add in build times for culture buildings, and you have a credible projection. Then (and only then) you may compare your data with spy information and adjust your projection accordingly. Afterwards you know, whether you really should go to war.
I'm very surprised. A heated debate and nobody did the obvious: take AlanH's 20k spreadsheat, put in the build dates of Oracle and Sun Tzu (taken from the F7 screen) and learn that these Wonders are far from "guaranteeing the 20k win". In other words: they will contribute less than 5000 culture points till 2050.
If you want to know how a 20k city looks, have a look:
PS: To do a good job, you can make educated guesses on when which culture enabling technology became available (before you made contact) and retrieve the information from the posts afterwards. Add in build times for culture buildings, and you have a credible projection. Then (and only then) you may compare your data with spy information and adjust your projection accordingly. Afterwards you know, whether you really should go to war.
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