Intergalactic War

[Masquerouge]

In Atlantis, they specifically reference the Enterprise in a humorous/geeky fashion; implying that there are "Trekkies" in the SG universe.

I've been looking at the SG specs; there are a few 'superweapons' which seem really impressive (one weapon capable of destroying all life in a galaxy IIRC). Something like that would negate all the advantages held by the awesome firepower of the SW universe.

Yeah, the Dakara superweapon. But you can actually destroy it - they've done it in the SG universe, and you can shield against it. So not so fast!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakara_Superweapon

 

[nc-1701]

What about the Tarkin? Very small, hard to find, but potent enough to crack a planet in two.

Also, the Death Star II had an amazing 900km diameter, as compared to the Death Star I, at a pathetic 160km. Combined with the other features you mentioned, this battlestation would have been most fearsome indeed.


NC, the working range of the Death Star's Superlaser was 420,000km, not the 75000 or whatever you said.

Remember this starts begginning of ROTJ, so Death Star II isn't done yet, and there's no Tarkin, Galaxy Gun, or Sun Crusher.

I never quoted any Death Star range so

Anyway no one has given me any sort of argument about how either Star Wars or Stargate could stop an invasion by Species 8472 and their planet destroyers. So until some way to stop them can be found I will consider it a victory for Star Trek So think quike warsies

Anyway someone asked for a scenario here it is:

One day Q was very, very, very, board so he transported the Borg queen, and leaders of Species 8472, the Hirogen, Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Ferengi, Dominion, and Cardassia. All into a meeting room where he told them that they all had to work together to fight it out with to other Universes accessible through four Supergates/Wormholes one in each Quadrant of the Galaxy. They could only rest once both other Galaxies inhabitants had all been subjucated to rule from their own galaxy. If they didn't do as he wanted he would instantly obliterate their entire Galaxy. He gives similar ultimatums to the other two Universe's. Now the war is on! He also reminds them that the Ancients are working with him and will not interfear.

 

[SG-17]

Anyway someone asked for a scenario here it is:

One day Q was very, very, very, board so he transported the Borg queen, and leaders of Species 8472, the Hirogen, Federation, Klingon, Romulan, Ferengi, Dominion, and Cardassia. All into a meeting room where he told them that they all had to work together to fight it out with to other Universes accessible through four Supergates/Wormholes one in each Quadrant of the Galaxy. They could only rest once both other Galaxies inhabitants had all been subjucated to rule from their own galaxy. If they didn't do as he wanted he would instantly obliterate their entire Galaxy. He gives similar ultimatums to the other two Universe's. Now the war is on! He also reminds them that the Ancients are working with him and will not interfear.

the Ancients would side with their descendants, the humans of earth and those who live in the pegasus galaxy. After the incident with Daniel's turning against the ori when he was a prior the ori would never leave a supergate unguarded. and with their superior shields and weapons could crush any federation ship. even if they make it through they would have to contend with the asgard, free jaffa, lucian alliance, nox, Atlantis, asurans, wraith, heberdans, Baal, Earth, and not to mention the replicators, they could easly assimilate the borg, and take over fed ships.
The Daedalus Class Ships powered with ZPMs, rival asgard vessels in weapons and surpass them in shields. Atlantis with 3 ZPMs, has the firepower of 2 deathstars, a near impenetrable shield and a hyperdirve that travels in sub-space, something that all SG ships do. The Asurans gate laser could destroy any ship and installation. Since it has a shield powered by the beam powered by an unlimited supply of ZPMs a sublight engine and a hyperdrive engine.
Even though the Dakara super weapon was destroyed we, have the gate laser, mark 9s, PWARWs, black holes channeled by stargates, naquadah filled asteriods, and there are more.
I see no way Star Trek or Star Wars could win.

 

[nc-1701]

the Ancients would side with their descendants, the humans of earth and those who live in the pegasus galaxy. After the incident with Daniel's turning against the ori when he was a prior the ori would never leave a supergate unguarded. and with their superior shields and weapons could crush any federation ship. even if they make it through they would have to contend with the asgard, free jaffa, lucian alliance, nox, Atlantis, asurans, wraith, heberdans, Baal, Earth, and not to mention the replicators, they could easly assimilate the borg, and take over fed ships.
The Daedalus Class Ships powered with ZPMs, rival asgard vessels in weapons and surpass them in shields. Atlantis with 3 ZPMs, has the firepower of 2 deathstars, a near impenetrable shield and a hyperdirve that travels in sub-space, something that all SG ships do. The Asurans gate laser could destroy any ship and installation. Since it has a shield powered by the beam powered by an unlimited supply of ZPMs a sublight engine and a hyperdrive engine.
Even though the Dakara super weapon was destroyed we, have the gate laser, mark 9s, PWARWs, black holes channeled by stargates, naquadah filled asteriods, and there are more.
I see no way Star Trek or Star Wars could win.

The Ancients would realize they had to behave, because Q is infinetly more powerfull than they are

Stargate would certainly take down Star Wars Asurans, Asgard, and Ori are all very strong, but in very limited numbers. Now look at Species 8472 they can exit fluidic space wipe out a planet in 30 seconds then return to fuidic space while using a mere 8 Bio-ships. Which they have thousends of so they can hit hundreds of planets at once. Their weapons have enough brute firepower to bring down anything if used in sufficient numbers, and know that Ori/Ancient shields are not completely impervious to high energy weapons meaning that Species 8472 could overwelm the limited numbers of hips that can be brought to bear very easily.

As I said until you come up with a way of stopping this your dead.

Goa'uld would be assimilated very rapidly by the Borg their tech is very poor, and we know that their damage is vastly inferior to others because of the sacenes of planetary bombardment where we saw each blast was equal to no more than a few hundred pounds of TNT. In other words Trek/Wars weapons have thousends of times stronger. Mark XIs are quite powerfull, but rely on a missile that Trek targeting computers could easily knock down. Earth rail-guns also have very minimal yields, the fact that these yields can damage their shields show that their shields are also very weak, as much as I like Stargate everything will be destroyed the only ones that can toe the line vs Federation Starships, Borg Cubes, and ISDs are the Ori, Ancients, Assurans, and Asgard. Who we know to be in extremely limited numbers.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

why no battlestar galatica?

Sure, I can understand people being turned off by the whole nightmarish genocide deal destroying all but one battleship, but you need to see it from a different, more cyclon-like, perspective. :0
edited for accuracy*

 

[Warman17]

why no battlestar galatica?

Sure, I can understand people being turned off by the whole nightmarish genocide deal, but you need to see it from a different, more cyclon-like, perspective. :0

The most powerful weapon in the battlestar arsenal are regular nukes; they don't even have shields!

 

[QuoVadisNation]

Shields are useless when the cyclon can simply clog the death star's death cannons with cyclon wreckage. - and still go about it only relatively inconvenienced.

 

[Perfection]

No the most powerful weapon in Battlestar Galactica is good writing, but that pales in comparison to the insane plots of Stargate SG-1.

My prediction: SG-1 takes everyone singlehandedly and wins, the only ones who survive are on Voyager who manage to make it home by firing thier endless supply of shuttlecraft at everyone.

 

[Kan' Sharuminar]

No the most powerful weapon in Battlestar Galactica is good writing, but that pales in comparison to the insane plots of Stargate SG-1.

DS9 had some fantastic episodes, if anyone could give hope to ST in this conflict it's them.

My prediction: SG-1 takes everyone single handedl and wins, the only ones who survive are on Voyager who manage to make it home by firing thier endless supply of shuttlecraft at everyone.

Rubbish, if any thing's going to keep Voyager alive, it's their incessant technobabble and ability to reduce any worthy opponent (say, the Borg) from supervillain to crappy alien of the week. Worth watching out for.

 

[nc-1701]

Wow, Perf you have the funniest spam comments ever


@QuevadisNation Star Trek and Stargate both have something called manueverability and then of course there's always transporting nukes onto your shieldless ships...

Sorry, BG would die in seconds.

 

[Perfection]

DS9 had some fantastic episodes, if anyone could give hope to ST in this conflict it's them.

Nah, good writing is the bane of any pwnfest.

Wow, Perf you have the funniest spam comments ever

Spam? It's the truth! Technology never matters. I mean come on, those stupid Jar Jar things beat robots, freakin' robots! I mean what kind of crap is that? And Ewoks??? How the hell can Ewoks win? Federation beats the borg?? Humans beat replicators and Gao'uld? I mean sheesh!

Technology is utterly meaningless and worthless when it comes to these kinds of shows!

 

[Oruc]

I would say Star Wars would win, but I've never watched Stargate on a regular basis as it is very boring.

 

[SG-17]

but SG has beaming tech
though Trek has a primitive version that can only beam you to one place on a ship, and is very slow.
SG beaming can beam you anywhere, even through shields, so they can beam mark 9s into a ships reactor, and with asgard sensors they can beam out parts of a ship like a nav computer, or an engine.

And in terms of the series plot/writing SG has the best space battles, even better than SW. Just look at Camelot, Allies, Siege Prt.3, and there are plenty more.

 

[Yuri2356]

Stargate would certainly take down Star Wars Asurans, Asgard, and Ori are all very strong, but in very limited numbers. Now look at Species 8472 they can exit fluidic space wipe out a planet in 30 seconds then return to fuidic space while using a mere 8 Bio-ships.

The can destroy planets using an exotic, Chain-raction weapon. The actual energy of the weapon is numerous orders of magnitude below the raw power needed to destroy a planet, as seen in their performance against ships whose performance levels are known be far below planet-killing energy. (Voyager, Borg Cubes)

Which they have thousends of so they can hit hundreds of planets at once.

Not a problem when you only have a handful of planets to protect (Asgard and Asurans) or can become completely nomadic (Ancient City-Ships, and nigh-any replicator construct)

Their weapons have enough brute firepower to bring down anything if used in sufficient numbers,

'Sufficient numbers' here being hundreds of thousands.

-ZPMs store energy on a planet-busting scale. Three such devices are used in the powering of a single City-Ship. Just one is sufficient to operate the city's shields.
-Sustained Wraith bombardment is a noteworthy drain on the power of said ZPMs.
-The Asgard once collapsed a main-sequence star into a black hole, then gave it enough mass to start pulling an Earthlike planet out of its orbit.
-The Goa'uld system Lord Sokar took the once-habitable moon of his capital planet, and bombarded it until the entire surface was a hellish mass of magma and slag metal. He expected to repeat this act in a reasonable timeframe with a single ship.

and know that Ori/Ancient shields are not completely impervious to high energy weapons meaning that Species 8472 could overwelm the limited numbers of hips that can be brought to bear very easily.

As I said until you come up with a way of stopping this your dead.

Having a vastly more powerful navy on alert, ready to engage and destroy any interlopers, complimented by automated defence satelites.

Goa'uld would be assimilated very rapidly by the Borg their tech is very poor, and we know that their damage is vastly inferior to others because of the sacenes of planetary bombardment where we saw each blast was equal to no more than a few hundred pounds of TNT. In other words Trek/Wars weapons have thousends of times stronger.

And yet, when paralell-Earth was atacked by Apophis near the end of season 1 (Or was it 2?) they reported 200 Megaton explosions over the Major Cities which he has destroyed. Can you cite specific examples where Goa'uld ships showed low-yield blasts, and it is beyond reasonable doubt meant to be a high-power strategic bombardment, rather than a more precise assault?

Mark XIs are quite powerfull, but rely on a missile that Trek targeting computers could easily knock down.

When in the entirely of Star Trek has a warship ever shot down an inbound torpedo while in battle? Prove that Trek's accuracy and refire rates will be able to cope with the sort of missile barrages that an Earth warship can dish out.

Earth rail-guns also have very minimal yields, the fact that these yields can damage their shields show that their shields are also very weak,

Sorry, when have Terran railguns done any apreciable damage to an enemy's shields? I recall them being quite useless against anything other than fighters, and unshielded vessels like Wraith Hiveships.

as much as I like Stargate everything will be destroyed the only ones that can toe the line vs Federation Starships, Borg Cubes, and ISDs are the Ori, Ancients, Assurans, and Asgard. Who we know to be in extremely limited numbers.

When you outpower a foe by a few orders of magnitude, you don't need to worry about there being thousands of them. Just more meat for the grinder.

 

[Warman17]

but SG has beaming tech
though Trek has a primitive version that can only beam you to one place on a ship, and is very slow.
SG beaming can beam you anywhere, even through shields, so they can beam mark 9s into a ships reactor, and with asgard sensors they can beam out parts of a ship like a nav computer, or an engine.

And in terms of the series plot/writing SG has the best space battles, even better than SW. Just look at Camelot, Allies, Siege Prt.3, and there are plenty more.

If you've ever watched a show you know that they can beam you from anypoint on the ship to anypoint in/out of the ship (given a range). The transporterroom is there so when people transport in and out they have a feeling of an exit/enterennce room to say good-bye and be welcomed.

Also we don't know how the shields of SG work compared to that of ST, SG transporters may be ineffective against ST shields. (for example we know SW shields only work on energy weapons, they have no effect on phyiscal objects, which begs the question: why use turbolasers when you can just blast nuclear shells at one another?)

 

[Kan' Sharuminar]

Nah, good writing is the bane of any pwnfest.

I would have thought good writing is the one thing that provides the actual content to such an argument?

 

[Yuri2356]

Also we don't know how the shields of SG work compared to that of ST, SG transporters may be ineffective against ST shields. (for example we know SW shields only work on energy weapons, they have no effect on phyiscal objects, which begs the question: why use turbolasers when you can just blast nuclear shells at one another?)

They do work on physical objects. They have two distinct forms of shielding - 'Ray Shields' which counter energy weapons - And "Particle Shields" which block physical objects. Just look at things like the Force fields that keep the atmosphere inside the open Hangers on Starships, the force fields that separated Obi-Wan from Darth Maul and Qui-Gon in Episode I, and those crazy water-shield things that the Gungans used to maintain air bubbles around their cities.

 

[Perfection]

I would have thought good writing is the one thing that provides the actual content to such an argument?

Good wiriting of the arguer is important, but not the show.

 

[Kan' Sharuminar]

Good wiriting of the arguer is important, but not the show.

How do you mean? Just that the general basis/overall theme of the show is what makes it what it is, rather than specific episodes which show off what the series can do?

Don't get me wrong, Stargate is my favourite of the three, but there are some fantastic DS9 episodes that I consider high above anything I've seen from Stargate, though I consider the latter the superior programme

 

[bigdog5994]

Star wars was great movie success and stargate and star trek was just TV crap