Into the Renaissance scenario - where is Istanbul?
- Thread starter Deathwing
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I haven't played that scenario, but Constantinople is the same as Istanbul. It was first Constantinople until the Ottomans conquered it in 1453 (I think), and they later renamed it Istanbul.
EDIT: In case I hit a cultural nerve with anyone who reads this, I did not mean Constantinople and Istanbul are one in the same. Constantinople had different rulers (Byzantine (or Eastern Roman)) than Istanbul and is much older than the city of Istanbul, at least in name. Culture and religion were obviously quite different, as well, with Constantinople having followed Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Istanbul became largely Muslim (though with large pockets (millets) of Christians, Jews, etc.).
EDIT: In case I hit a cultural nerve with anyone who reads this, I did not mean Constantinople and Istanbul are one in the same. Constantinople had different rulers (Byzantine (or Eastern Roman)) than Istanbul and is much older than the city of Istanbul, at least in name. Culture and religion were obviously quite different, as well, with Constantinople having followed Eastern Orthodox Christianity and Istanbul became largely Muslim (though with large pockets (millets) of Christians, Jews, etc.).
Historically speaking, the capital of the Byzantine Empire was Constantinople. However, it was originally founded as Byzantium and they used that name quite often in Theodora/Justinian's era. It's likely Byzantium is the capital. So maybe try Byzantium? Quite the slutty city in terms of names. Sheesh.
Ok, I got tired of "historically speaking," so I started a new game with Theodora and her capital was Constantinople.
The only other city I could think of her ruling out of would be Adrianople, but doubtful (unless someone else conquered Constantinople).
The only other city I could think of her ruling out of would be Adrianople, but doubtful (unless someone else conquered Constantinople).
This is the thread where I saw the "not Constantinople" btw:
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2901641
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2901641
According to your link:
"Mehmet the Conqueror - As the Turks, conquer Istanbul on Deity (Not Constantanople)." - This is what's under the 'Into the Renaissance' category.
"Turks Shmurks! - Capture Constantanople as any enemy power (Not Istanbul)." - This is what's under the 'Fall of Rome' category.
You say you are playing the Into the Renaissance scenario. Then you should be capturing Istanbul...as the Turks. This guide makes no sense. Why would the Turks capture Istanbul? They captured Constantinople and RENAMED it Istanbul. Besides, he can't even spell the dang city. Well, can't hold that against him, I guess. But it still doesn't make sense for the Turks to have to capture Istanbul instead of Constantinople. Same city, yes, but it is not Istanbul UNTIL the Turks capture it. The guidemaker may be confused. Or maybe he's simply confused the both of us. Give it a crack, Mesix (and thanks for getting that song in my head... and for dating yourself.)
"Mehmet the Conqueror - As the Turks, conquer Istanbul on Deity (Not Constantanople)." - This is what's under the 'Into the Renaissance' category.
"Turks Shmurks! - Capture Constantanople as any enemy power (Not Istanbul)." - This is what's under the 'Fall of Rome' category.
You say you are playing the Into the Renaissance scenario. Then you should be capturing Istanbul...as the Turks. This guide makes no sense. Why would the Turks capture Istanbul? They captured Constantinople and RENAMED it Istanbul. Besides, he can't even spell the dang city. Well, can't hold that against him, I guess. But it still doesn't make sense for the Turks to have to capture Istanbul instead of Constantinople. Same city, yes, but it is not Istanbul UNTIL the Turks capture it. The guidemaker may be confused. Or maybe he's simply confused the both of us. Give it a crack, Mesix (and thanks for getting that song in my head... and for dating yourself.)
And if this is the case, deathwing, you should simply capture her capital. She is Byzantine. The Ottoman Turks captured her capital. Her capital was Constantinople. So to "capture Theodora's capital whatever it is called," capture Constantinople.
Are you still not finding the city? Is it a real map? If it is, I'll tell you exactly where it is. It straddles the section just between modern-day Turkey and Greece. Heck, just google Istanbul map and you'll see it. Follow that to Constantinople/Istanbul on your map. If the map is random, however, then just find one of those names and beat the snot out of it. I'm gonna search around some other sites and see if I can find a more concrete answer. I'm suddenly obsessed with this, lol.
Straight from the Steam Community page:
http://steamcommunity.com/stats/CivV/achievements/
"Mehmet the Conqueror
As the Turks, conquer Istanbul on Deity in the Into the Renaissance scenario."
So I guess that guy's guide was correct. Go conquer Istanbul with the Turks, ahistorically enough. I have to remember this is just a game. Sheesh.
Gotta hit the hay now. I hope you find this Magical City of Lost Achievements!
http://steamcommunity.com/stats/CivV/achievements/
"Mehmet the Conqueror
As the Turks, conquer Istanbul on Deity in the Into the Renaissance scenario."
So I guess that guy's guide was correct. Go conquer Istanbul with the Turks, ahistorically enough. I have to remember this is just a game. Sheesh.
Gotta hit the hay now. I hope you find this Magical City of Lost Achievements!
Yup. That's what I was saying several times. That's what was driving me nuts. Even though they're the same city, I thought it odd that the achievement is for the Ottomans to conquer Istanbul. If I read that in a history book (and I've read many a history book on the Ottomans), I would close the book. "In 1453, Mehmet the Conqueror besieged Istanbul and captured it." No, he didn't. He captured Constantinople. Same city in a sense, yes, but to call it Istanbul the entire time is anachronistic and denies the cultural value that a name often possesses. Both Constantinople and Istanbul are powerful names. So is Mehmet. So are the Ottomans. So are the Byzantines. But, I suppose they're just calling it Istanbul in the game since that's what it's called now. Washington, for example, was certainly not the first capital of America, yet that's the first city - and thus the capital - they give you. Anachronistic, but just a game. Yet I keep going, lol. Bah. I'm old and tired. Now I'm really hitting the sack. Have a great day! And, Otaman, thanks for starting that awesome "Who/What Am I?" thread! I just joined the forum and it's a fun game!
Minor nit-picking: Those living in Constantinople considered themselves to be in the Roman Empire; not the Byzantine Empire. The later name was invented by historians who noticed the big differences between the surviving East Roman empire and the original Roman empire.
It's probably for the little 13 year olds. In some history books, it says "In 1453, the Ottoman Empire, under the rule of Mehmed II, sieged the last Byzantium city of Constantinople, modern-day Istanbul. blah blah blah blah The Fall of Constantinople marked a change of course in human history. On the same year, the Hundred Years' War ended with a French decisive victory, claiming all of modern-day France except for Calais which would later be taken by 30,000 French forces in 1558 blah blah blah." So in some history books, they use Constantinople instead of Istanbul. Oh yeah, And thanks!
Who knows how to win it on deity ? It would be easy to just fight Theodora but Saladin piss me off on the other frontline and with split troops there is no way to capture these cities with their big defense. Have to w8 for cannon and musketeers ? And Attila usually also founds a city around turn 100 in the north so there would be a third front with no chance.
Please I need hints. I downloaded a game for the achievment just to compare. It had a big fleet north and south of constantinople at turn 110. Trying my own I suffered a lot from Saladin to stop him making war and once I got the tech for ships and enough cities it was also only 90 turns left. But I had no ships at all and the area was extremely crowded with Saladin and Theodora cities. And I did not have iron so I would have had no chance.
