Is it a Exploit ? I have more than 100,000 gold with it.

[TerraHero]

Another good way is by getting cities, then selling em for 20gold per turn or sumthing...thhis will never expire and they will always pay you

capture the city with war and sell it again and get more money

totaly exploit..but fun..

 

[steviejay]

Terra, I don't think thats possible, in my playing you can never buy cities off anyone, and they won't give you anything for theirs. getting cities in peace treaties or propaganda is possible, but I've never seen someone buy a city off someone, ever.

also, I thought as soon as you put gpt on the table it says "this deal will expire in 20 turns", so no matter what you're selling, be it a World Map or the key to Theodora's private quarters, it will still run out

 

[Roi du Culture]

GREAT STRATEGY!

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

I like it, may have to use it.

 

[HiroHito]

I dont mean to be rude, but you guys must be newbies to use exploits, even on demi god setting the ai is incredibly weak. Also imho exploit = cheating = bad, but thats just me

 

[binyo66]

Originally posted by TerraHero
Another good way is by getting cities, then selling em for 20gold per turn or sumthing...thhis will never expire and they will always pay you

capture the city with war and sell it again and get more money

totaly exploit..but fun..

Terra, I used to do that in CivIII 1.07. Infact, I found that the higher the population, the bigger cash AI would pay (I just joined my workers to the city until it reach the limit and sold to AI). But I couldnt sell any city since 1.27, not even 1 gold. Can we sell cities in Conquest?

 

[Admiral_Tarton]

I hate exploits, and this be an exploit

 

[steviejay]

to the best of my knowledge (I'll throw it for other people to confirm) that you CANNOT trade cities for anything other than in a peace treaty eg.
"Give me a Peace Treaty and Cordoba and you've got yourself a deal"

I think one of the early patches for vanilla Civ3 fixed that, but I'd need to check

 

[TheNiceOne]

Originally posted by steviejay
to the best of my knowledge (I'll throw it for other people to confirm) that you CANNOT trade cities for anything other than in a peace treaty eg.
"Give me a Peace Treaty and Cordoba and you've got yourself a deal"

I think one of the early patches for vanilla Civ3 fixed that, but I'd need to check

You are correct, so TerraHero must either play unpatched vanilla CIV or most probably: write about something that he haven't tried, but think could work. The latter is most likely, since if he had sold a city for 20 gpt (which was possible in unpatched vanilla), he should notice that all such per turn payments are for 20 turns only, and not for the rest of the game.

 

[sabo]

Originally posted by HiroHito
I dont mean to be rude, but you guys must be newbies to use exploits, even on demi god setting the ai is incredibly weak. Also imho exploit = cheating = bad, but thats just me

Did you read MY post? I think an unconscience human player would also get fooled by that trick if they weren't paying attention to the game.

BTW - I'm not a newbie, I've been playing civ since 1995

 

[TomOC]

Originally posted by sabo
I don't think it's an exploit, I'm sure there are some unconcience human players playing MP that would look at the GPT and fall for that trick too. Especially if they are unaware that civ only has one city left and was about to be pounced upon.

Besides when you play deity or sid you need to play a "no holds barred" type of game, (well I do anyway)

Good call Reversal! I like it!!

I like it too... but a human player would not fall for it twice! The Celts did.

It's kind of like insider trading. You are trading with the AI in bad faith. So what! It might not be ethical, but I'm warmongering... ethics does not count.

 

[sabo]

Originally posted by TomOC


I like it too... but a human player would not fall for it twice! The Celts did.

agreed!

 

[anarres]

Congrats reversal!

I am sure many people get MA's just before someone is wiped out, but this is a very dastardly way of getting GPT from an AI that has none.

In effect you are creating money! Running negative GPT 'magics' it from nowhere to pay debts, so you are actually adding to the global wealth.

 

[TomOC]

Using Reversal's method (great tip, thanks!), I was able to cripple the Germans. They had a strong army and a lot of workers. After using Reversal’s trading tactics, I was able to crush the Germans. They were down to half their units and about 2 workers. Each city that I conquered had nothing in it. The Germans were running a close third culturally (before they made the deals), so I can only assume that they sold their stuff to pay their bill to me.


Now it's the Celts turn... HeHeHe!!!

 

[Zandrew]

Originally posted by anarres
In effect you are creating money! Running negative GPT 'magics' it from nowhere to pay debts, so you are actually adding to the global wealth.

Is that really true? I thought the AI had to sell buildings and disband units to stay out of debt, or declare war to break the deal.

 

[reversal]

Originally posted by anarres
Congrats reversal!

I am sure many people get MA's just before someone is wiped out, but this is a very dastardly way of getting GPT from an AI that has none.

In effect you are creating money! Running negative GPT 'magics' it from nowhere to pay debts, so you are actually adding to the global wealth.

My friend's company is Running negative GPT now,They never make money,But all of them are earning a large salary,So they are creating money!
I think "adding to the global wealth" as you mentioned is similar to economy bubble in some countrys.

The AI may have to sell his improvements,Disband his troops ,Minimize science and luxury to balance his treasury.
But AI may think that maintain a large amount of military force is more important than buildings.So AI falls into trap of building a troop then disband, Insufficient troops and money,No building,No R&D,No luxury.Just as TomOC said.

If I'm not too greedy to rob AI so much,The AI can offer the gpt,But he has nothing after pay me,How do you think about it?

 

[DaviddesJ]

I think the people who say "this isn't an exploit" must be joking.

It's cute that reversal discovered this technique, but I can't see anyone using such a loophole more than once. What's the point of playing a game if you're going to exploit such flaws in the underlying mechanics? You'll just have to crank up the difficulty level in order to make the game more challenging.

 

[playshogi]

I think this is an exploit, but what if it were the AI going to capture that last city? Then you could make the alliance offer then sell a tech and then let the AI capture the last city and cut its own throat economically. Now that would be funny.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I've done kind of that - paid gpt for an AI to crush the last city of an enemy on a far away continent. I only had to pay the gold once 'fore the common enemy was dead. Didn't occur to me to make a second deal given me gpt tho.

 

[Lord Jimbob]

Originally posted by Zandrew
Is that really true? I thought the AI had to sell buildings and disband units to stay out of debt, or declare war to break the deal.

Yeah. It sure does sound like it's true: the AI can support a, say, 100,000 gpt deficit every turn at the expense of one unit/ one city improvement (if only the real economy worked that way ...). This is really in the same league as paying large gpt for techs, etc, and running research/entertainment tax at 100% total and just taking a one unit/ 1 improvement loss every turn, as blithely suggested in previous 'free research!' threads. As a matter of fact, IMHO this is really just the same as paying a fat gpt deal to AI for tech at the 20th turn of your golden age: if you have an empty treasury, you too will lose the units/improvements as the price of keeping up your end of the bargain exceeds your revenue once the GA is over; the AI will keep collecting it's revenue (manna from heaven) every remaining turn of the deal. A bit exploitative, but similar scams are effected in the real world all the time. If it became an unbalancing practice, then I'm sure the latest patch/ forum rules will address it! The game just doesn't punish deficit spending severely enough to curtail it!