kamikazee attack

[dylanhatesyou]

The idea has been brought up in the past to have more UUs(oh god yes more UUs), and I have an idea for one for the industrial age for Japan.

Kamikazee Fighter


Identical to the normal Fighter (except for what it looks like), except that when it redlines, it has a 50% succeeding in a kamikazee attack of its advisary(if not another air unit, ). The kamikazee attack would drop its opponent two HP. So, it would be potentially lethal.

I like this idea for taking down enemy fleets. Ships should also have AA capabilities.

 

[Mewtarthio]

The "kamikaze fighter" should be more akin to an early Cruise Missile (except without the ability to attack cities, and based on Carriers).

 

[dylanhatesyou]

I dont know about that. I dont think kamikazees should be treated like that. I like to think of them as a one-use unit. They fight until they redline, and then there is a chace they crash into the victorious enemy unit. Not just crash like a cruise missle. Dunno. You know what I'm saying?

 

[Mewtarthio]

Kamikazes actually were more like Cruise Missiles than actual fighters. They were loaded with explosives, then they rammed into a nearby ship. A kamikaze wasn't a desparate last chance attack; it was a suicide bombing. Some kamikaze pilots actually flew literal missiles with more than a ton of explosives and capabilities of going up to 600 MPH.

 

[dylanhatesyou]

sounds like you know what you're saying. Do you think this idea should be included in Civ4?

 

[Lennon]

Sure, Kamikaze could be used as some sort of mix between bomber and cruise missile. It is an efficient one use weapon. Potentially nasty on your reputation.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

I think the kamikaze should have twice the range of a normal fighter... Don't need the fuel to get back.

 

[Pathetic Leader]

points of note.

they used outdated planes
they used inexperienced pilots

the above 2 points are not 100% true, but for the most part they were.

So...

they should be cheaper than fighter due to lack of technology and training
they should have twice the range, as pointed out they ain't coming back
they have no defense or melee attack rating, like a missile.
also, they should only be produced under communistic or other fanatical typ govts due to the public outcry of ritual suicide under say democracy

 

[MSTK]

Japan was under a bushido-type government where the spirit of the warrior and all that rule public opinion IIRC.

Or were they under democracy during WWII? I forgot.

 

[Lennon]

Japan was under a bushido-type government where the spirit of the warrior and all that rule public opinion IIRC.

Or were they under democracy during WWII? I forgot.

Monarchy, more or less.

 

[NP300]

points of note.

they used outdated planes
they used inexperienced pilots

the above 2 points are not 100% true, but for the most part they were.

So...

they should be cheaper than fighter due to lack of technology and training
they should have twice the range, as pointed out they ain't coming back
they have no defense or melee attack rating, like a missile.
also, they should only be produced under communistic or other fanatical typ govts due to the public outcry of ritual suicide under say democracy

They shouldn't be limted to democracies. I could see democracies using such tactics if their homelands were threatened.

Also, democracies can be just as fanatical as any other kind of government. Look at the idea of spreading "democracy" around the world... It's really no different from the communist idea of bringing communism to the whole world. And that for that matter it isn't all that different from the idea some Islamic fundamentalists have of bringing Islam to the whole world. Also look at the "unconditional surrender" demanded by the democracies during WWII. Basically, by unconditional surrender the democracies declared total war and refused any idea of negotiation. That sounds pretty fanatical to me. Nope, it wasn't the fascists or communists who called for "unconditional surrender" and ruled out any form of negotiation, it was the democracies.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Monarchy, more or less.

Not so much a monarchy though... they had an emperor, but it was the military that was really calling the shots. It was more of a military dictatorship.

I'd say that for the most part though that they would be unpopular under a free, democratic republic. I think that if a country is that desperate, democracy and freedom would've been out the window long before the kamikazes show up.

Also, I was being facetious about twice the range. As has been said, they used out-dated planes, so maybe 1 3/4 the range or something but not a full double.

 

[NP300]

I'd say that for the most part though that they would be unpopular under a free, democratic republic. I think that if a country is that desperate, democracy and freedom would've been out the window long before the kamikazes show up.

If you look at the history of the US during the Civil War and both the US and England during WWII you'll find that many democratic freedoms went out the window, including restrictions on free speech. It is well recognized by historians that Lincoln violated the US consitution. Likewise, the US impisoned Ezra Pound during WWII for merely expressing his political views. England imprisoned many of its citizens merely for their political views. Also, look at what was done the Japanese-Americans in violation of the Consitution.

 

[NUKEmALL]

alright this isnt moveon.org. can we please stop with the america bashing please.

 

[Cuivienen]

Much as I disgaree with the MoveOn.org comment, I have to agree that this isn't the place for a discussion of Freedom of Speech.

I think Kamikaze planes already appear in Civ, in the WWII - Pacific Theatre Conquest. Correct if I'm wrong; I haven't played that one because I find Modern Era warfare boring. They must, there's even a tech "Divine Wind" in that Conquest.

Kamikaze planes were not used until the Japanese realized that they really had no chance of winning of the war (1944) and were delaying the inevitable. Perhaps Kamikaze planes should only be available if you're losing a war? That's a bit too complicated, though.

 

[Dom Pedro II]

Well, I think if kamikazes are like drafted units that lose population and aren't terribly effective by comparison to normal planes, the AI and the player aren't going to be using them except as last-ditch efforts anyway.

 

[Pathetic Leader]

i apologise for bringing gowernment types into this, the ther points still stand though...

they used outdated planes
they used inexperienced pilots

the above 2 points are not 100% true, but for the most part they were.

So...

they should be cheaper than fighter due to lack of technology and training
they should have twice the range, as pointed out they ain't coming back
they have no defense or melee attack rating, like a missile.

 

[Stid]

just make a tech called propaganda or even include it in nationalism to make them proud to give their life in service for the empire.population should be lost though and these planes werent exactly easy to make although it may sound vice versa.i did a project on them and the plans were put forward before ww2 but the japs could never do a sucessful take off without triggering the bomb so the trigger mechansim was activated in the air.cutting along story short these could be as devastating as the german v2 rockets and also much more accurate but at a slighter higher price.

 

[Pathetic Leader]

I agree with the population loss.