Keshik cavalry doesn't count as mounted unit

[unundindur]

The Keshik cavalry doesn't count as a mounted unit in relation to pikemen (possibly others). Given that it replaces a mounted unit and requires horses, this must be considdered a bug.

 

[unundindur]

I just realised I wrote Mandekalu when I meant Kashik, I just updated the op

 

[KrikkitTwo]

I just realised I wrote Mandekalu when I meant Kashik, I just updated the op

Its actually intentional, to make sure that Keshiks (and Chariot Archers and Camel Archers) get ranged promotions.

and actually (considering spears+pikes) it makes sense, Mounted archers aren't going to go near the spears+pikes... the bonus comes from when cavalry is charging AT the spears+pikes, not shooting at them

 

[unundindur]

Its actually intentional, to make sure that Keshiks (and Chariot Archers and Camel Archers) get ranged promotions.

and actually (considering spears+pikes) it makes sense, Mounted archers aren't going to go near the spears+pikes... the bonus comes from when cavalry is charging AT the spears+pikes, not shooting at them

Is the game really so bad coded that they need to make it either ranged or mounted? Making a unit both ranged and mounted should be the easiest thing...

As for the second point, it makes some sense flavorwise, but in that case the unit should spesify it, as I doubt many would see this intuitively. I would also say that pikes are efficient against cavalry in general, as you have an easier time hitting a higher target.

To support this, notice how pikemen get their bonus when attacking too. By your logic, pikes should only get a bonus when defending (fortified?) against cavalry.

From a balancing point, the Keshik isn't exactly weak either, not that it is trully part of this equation.

I still doubt this can be intentional

 

[FeiLing]

In theory (for realism etc) a pikemen should do 0 dmg to any ranged cavalry unless the ranged cavalry is flanked from at least ... all sides

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Is the game really so bad coded that they need to make it either ranged or mounted? Making a unit both ranged and mounted should be the easiest thing...

As for the second point, it makes some sense flavorwise, but in that case the unit should spesify it, as I doubt many would see this intuitively. I would also say that pikes are efficient against cavalry in general, as you have an easier time hitting a higher target.

To support this, notice how pikemen get their bonus when attacking too. By your logic, pikes should only get a bonus when defending (fortified?) against cavalry.

From a balancing point, the Keshik isn't exactly weak either, not that it is trully part of this equation.

I still doubt this can be intentional

When 2 units engage in combat, the attacker/defender shouldn't matter much, and it doesn't at all for mounted units (no bonuses) they defend by attacking (when a pike moves into their tile they charge)

 

[unundindur]

As mentioned it makes some sense flavorwise, but its not intuitive when you look at the game mechanics. Pikes say they get a bonus vs. mounted units, and a Keshik is by definition mounted (as in "on a mount").

An easy fix would be to spesify this ability in the keshik description (along with its many other traits). Personally I think find the Keshik so powerful that it would be better to remove it though.