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Lain's most impressive game so far

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Clickbaity title, but does anyone have suggestions as to what Lain's most impressive game might be? There's lot to choose from on Youtube from the past couple of years, but I'd like some "user reviews" before I committ 5-8 hours to watch playthrough :mischief:

I've already seen the Wang Kon victory on the cooked map. That was amazing, and I don't really expect anything to top that, but what would the next most impressive game be?
 
I don't know about "next most impressive", but in terms of my personal favorite so far I'd say the Willem map. There's also the Isabella map if you're strapped for time to watch, though of course that'll be reflected in the map's difficulty.
 
My favorites include Fred (number 15) and Shaka (21). For me, Isabella map was a joke, but I can understand why someone enjoys such maps. :)
 
My favorites include Fred (number 15) and Shaka (21). For me, Isabella map was a joke, but I can understand why someone enjoys such maps. :)

Do you have any spoiler cliffs on the Isabella map? Like, the general obstacles of the map (don't want to know if he wins or not)
 
I don't know about "next most impressive", but in terms of my personal favorite so far I'd say the Willem map. There's also the Isabella map if you're strapped for time to watch, though of course that'll be reflected in the map's difficulty.

Been watching it since the moment I posted the thread, coincidentally. Very good stuff!
:popcorn:

Edit: the Willem map, I mean
 
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Willem was a good one, really dominant show there and well executed.

I really like the Lincoln game
Spoiler :
where he dissembled a monster Julius Caesar (and then Justin after) in modern warfare with tanks + spies.
Long, but a good one, with a methodical pace where he felt in control throughout it despite a typical Lain start location. It let me see that no scary AI is insurmountable.

Edited spoilers! sorry
 
Do you have any spoiler cliffs on the Isabella map? Like, the general obstacles of the map (don't want to know if he wins or not)
A bit hard to answer that without spoiling anything. But well, if you check the first 10 turns of the game,
Spoiler :
he can settle a +2:hammers: capital, has a nice peninsula that is very easy to defend from early barb threat and so on. I guess it's a bread'n'butter type of game for the most part, so I'd recommend watching it at least if you are far from a deity player.
 
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The Fredrich game is a favourite. (Game 15).
I also really like game 31 (Pacal) and game 37 (Pericles).

I started to follow the games at game 29 so don't know much about the earlier ones.
The reason I did watch the Fredrich game was that I made a suggestion to play it in the thread (https://forums.civfanatics.com/thre...p-for-me-to-play.620140/page-10#post-15222543), because I tried it myself and thought it was close to impossible. :)
Turns out that he had already played it.


In case you have missed it, he does keep track of the general strategy involved in a list in the first post of his thread.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/post-a-tough-deity-map-for-me-to-play.620140/
Very helpful if you are looking for something special to mimic.
 
Lincoln one shows some unusual strats for sure and high quality gameplay.
I also liked the Brennus game as well as some of the others mentioned, like the Freddy game. The Kublai highlands map was also really fun.

Depends on what you like though, he's also got quite a few games that have a better setup like the Isabella one, the Joao one, Monty etc.

Also I must say the quality of the videos imo has risen a lot in terms of gameplay as well as the commentary and the stuff around it. That's not to discourage anyone from watching the older series, since there are some fantastic games there, but the later stuff generally is preferable to me, say if I could raze a game from memory and watch it again.
 
Of the ones he's won: Qin game for sure. The commerce and food situation was the worst I've seen by a long shot. At least with Freddy he had a nice 18-20 city island with phants, gold, and rivers. With the Shaka map he had food for days and being on the caveman continent did mean everyone there was slow to rifles - and once he took it over he had enough land to win any way he wanted. But the Qin hemispheres? Just about no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Runaway Cyrus with twice the land of any other civ. Two cows, a wheat, and 3 seafood were the only food resources. No horses, no copper, no river, brown land, boxed in, had to move starting settler to be even viable, and perhaps the worst part - being semi-iso with a total psycho. There's a reason I gave up on it after 2 shots - possible, yes, but sooo hard, luck-dependent, and not worth the effort. Partly why I retired my former username. And mad props to Lain for beating it.

Of the ones he's lost: a tie between Qin, and Boudica or Toku isolation. Those two maps were brutal; the Toku island was tiny and crappy but unlike the most recent De Gaulle NC you had no mids to fall back on, no good economic traits to leverage, and almost certainty of runaway + lovefest on the large Pangaea that was medium or high sea level (forgot which it was). Similar with Boudica, though the problem there was less the island being bad (granted it's not much better) but the start being utterly devoid of food (dry rice and plains sheep surrounded by brown tiles are just yuck).

Lincoln one was hard but there was only really one runaway and it just required some creative thinking to overcome (granted, really challenging) obstacles which were apparent from very early on (unlike iso or semi-iso where he had no idea what he was dealing with until contact, and no way to influence things until then). Nevertheless, it's a runner-up for sure. It's perhaps my favorite one he's played so far - nail-biting to the end, succeeding against all odds, and proving that a tank war against 20-city modern-armor/gunship deity AIs CAN be won without nukes.

EDIT: I misread question, as "hardest map" and not "most impressive". In that case, not counting losses, for me it's

1. Lincoln (the tank war was just too epic)
2. Qin (worst. start. EVER.)
3. Willem (just casually winning lib and being tech leader almost the entire game with just 4-5 cities, before taking on a 25-city Megashaka)
 
before I committ 5-8 hours to watch playthrough :mischief:
I watched with 1.45 (45%) speed multiplayer with skips. VLC player on desktop has key [ and ] for speed tuning. There is an option in menu for mobile version.

That way you can reduce watch time to 2 hour of series with 10 one hour episodes ))
 
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Hanibal was also impressive.
well for me every his game is super hard and impressive cause I will never be playing on deity just it's no fun and it takes a lot from the good things of the game - that's my opinion. i play for win of course but i play for fun and for pleasure too so deity is a no no for me.
BTW , where is LAin ? he said he is taking a break but it turns out to be quite a long break.
 
I love the Lincoln map because it's the type of game where many of us would just shelf/give up after a certain point because it feels tedious and possibly unwinnable, but Lain just pushes on. Just has an epic feel watching him play out that map. Although not the hardest map I've seen him win, it's very memorable.
 
I've only watched the second half of Lain's games.

Out of those, the two I remember as most impressive are the two that @Fish Man mentioned. (I haven't watched Lincoln, since that was one of Lain's earlier uploads.) Well, there were some other good ones, too.

The reason I didn't watch the earlier half of Lain's uploads is that I assumed the gameplay would be a bit worse on them. (Since I think his knowledge of game mechanics improves slightly over time.)

But I'm happy to learn that some of the older games were memorable, since that gives me something to look forward to seeing!
 
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