Lets find a new trait for Ghengis Khan ;-)

[Refar]

Ghengis Khan was kind of famous for his Mounted Warriors... This goes along well with Keshiks... Yet his Traits... Imperialistic is OK, i guess... But Aggressive goes to Melee Units... I would like to give him sometihng that encourages/enhances Mounted Units...

My thoughts so far:

- Charismatic: Faster Promotions for all units of course mean that the mounted units are improved as well...

- A custom Trait - let's call it "Nomadic" - giving... what exactly ?
Flanking I OR Mobility OR Combat I to Mounted Units ? Which of the 3 makes the most sense ?
Faster Building of Stables obviously...

Ideas ? Opinions ?

 

[Shirastro]

- Infamous: All the cities of the civ that is fighting against you would get 1 . Which would increase as the war goes on. Something like a bonus war weariness.
He was after all very infamous in hes time and all the nations feared the Mongolians.

- Nomadic: workers build roads 50% faster and mounted units start with Mobility.

 

[PibbZ]

Mobility on mounted units sounds like a good deal, together with faster construction of stables and their mounted units?

Nomadic
Double production speed of Stables.
Mounted units start with mobility.
+1 Happiness and/or Health from Stables.

 

[Nay]

Double prod for a unit type is way too hard.

Double for Stables and roads is enough,
along with mobility its quite nice.

too bad its a one-person-trait, which is too specialized to come to life.

 

[PibbZ]

Double prod for a unit type is way too hard.

True, edited my original post.

One thing would be weird however, and thats the Gunships that got promoted from a mounted unit. Gunship with mobility? hmm

 

[King of Town]

I just think you give keshiks the ability to have city raider promotions and everything is solved.

 

[Refar]

Too bad its a one-person-trait, which is too specialized to come to life.

Ghengis Khan is a celebrity - he was in all 4 civ games, iirc. He deserves his own trait.

One thing would be weird however, and thats the Gunships that got promoted from a mounted unit. Gunship with mobility? hmm

I think Gunships have "Ignore Terrain Movement Cost" anyway, so no harm here.

I just think you give keshiks the ability to have city raider promotions and everything is solved.

This is interesting and good idea - not 100% what i look for as i want something that lasts the entire game (tho... Promoted Keshiks would...) but good idea nevertheless.

 

[Munch]

I just think you give keshiks the ability to have city raider promotions and everything is solved.

Brilliant.

Also, having a trait designed to emphasise only (or mainly) mounted units would be quite useless without horses or elephants. If a trait were designed to give a free promotion to these units, it would need some other non-mounted-unit benefit, such as the happiness bonus on stables as was suggested.

 

[AmazonQueen]

I'm hoping that Civ V will introduce attrition for units outside cultural borders. The Mongols would be ideal for a trait that reduced attrition costs.

 

[Nay]

I'm hoping that Civ V will introduce attrition for units outside cultural borders.

this is already in the game.

 

[Refar]

Also, having a trait designed to emphasise only (or mainly) mounted units would be quite useless without horses or elephants. If a trait were designed to give a free promotion to these units, it would need some other non-mounted-unit benefit, such as the happiness bonus on stables as was suggested.

Yes, this is true, but ultimately - every leader has some quirks requiring a unique approach. Khans quirk would be Not Ending UP Without Horses Horses are relatively common on the most maps.... And if you draw one without... Well sometimes The RNG is just not kind to us

But happiness Bonus on stables sounds good.

 

[PibbZ]

I think Gunships have "Ignore Terrain Movement Cost" anyway, so no harm here.

My point exactly, so they would be stuck with a useless promotion

 

[Diamondeye]

Keshik are born mobile, that's their special ability, why add mobi to all mongol units? I think the traits are fine and realistic the way they are.

 

[AmazonQueen]

this is already in the game.

Attrition isn't, increased maintenance costs are but thats different.

 

[Philo_Beddoe]

The secret to modding an improve mongolia is to fix their UB, and extra 2 xp beyond the 5 you get from a regular barracks + stable is worthless.

Change the ger from +4 xp to + 7xp and move keskiks to replace knights (no terrain movement cost knight, as the mongols were dominant during the middle ages not the classical era) instead of horse archers and it balances the mongols out quite nicely.

 

[Refar]

Keshiks are not the only Mounted units in the game. And Keshiks "Born Mobile" does not carry over to upgrades.

The useless promo on gunships... oh well... is not like they would loose someting... Besides... Gunships not have Horses in them

 

[jeffreyac]

Besides... Gunships not have Horses in them

This is my first Internet LOL of the day... A mental picture of horses flying gunships, similar to T-Rexs in F-14's if you remember the Calvin and Hobbes comic...

Thanks for the smile!

 

[Nansen]

This is my first Internet LOL of the day... A mental picture of horses flying gunships, similar to T-Rexs in F-14's if you remember the Calvin and Hobbes comic...

Thanks for the smile!

Actually, Gunship engines have tons of horses - thousands of them

 

[PimpyMicPimp]

Agressive should probably effect mounted and Naval units as well, and I also like the idea of Keshiks getting City Raider promotions. Those two changes would be enough for me.

 

[Tlalynet]

Another Cha Imp would be very nice, Cyrus is alredy my favorite warmonger.