Limits on Running for Offices

[naervod]

I would like to make a proposal that changes the limit of offices incumbent leaders may run for. It gives them little choice on what to run for and does not really help to broaden their interests. I think maybe the limit should be raised to two, because I do not see the point of having a limit of one office to run for for incumbent leaders. It's like saying: "If you lose one election you can't hold office". I hope you consider this proposal.
-Naervod

 

[GenMarshall]

Though I would agree with this proposal, since I myself had been apointed govenor of the Rhineland just today and that I had to decline in one nomination. Though Personaly, I would not like to see the limit rased to two since it would frighten even more newbies from running for office.

 

[Veera Anlai]

I would tentatively agree to this proposal, as long as another means of helping new players get into office is passed with it. The one term for oldies, two term for newbies does help new players get active in the Government, and I'd like to see something similar continue.

 

[Shaitan]

I'm with CivGeneral and Veera Anlai on this one. If the # of offices restriction were removed then we would need something like term limits. In fact, this current restriction was adopted because term limits were unpopular and no other checks against us old folks could be thought up.

 

[Cyc]

As a CFC Civ3 Demogame player who has seen all the Elections here, I would have to say the current guidelines for eligibility are very fair. There will always be some grumbling and griping about how restrictive they are, but usually only by people new to the political system here. Once you take that first step, then you have to follow the rules or step down and give someone else a shot. If you have the huevos and the desire, you'll put enough value or worth on the position your going for and do it. Putting a second position on the line to fall back onto doesn't seem like it would hold the same dedication level or desire to serve.

The current rules not only seek to help the beginners in the political spectrum, but make some of the lifer politicians key or focus on what they really want. The rule should stay, IMHO.

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

i dunno bout you but i dislike the incumbant rule with a passion. I could very well be without a job come this term. i think its ok to run for two offices for oldies and newbies alike. Everyone including newbies can get in. people change offcies alot here or choose not to run. We can do it. Just say it and think it and it can be done

 

[Octavian X]

Personally, I like the current law.

 

[BCLG100]

im not sure i like the current law but the other one sounds good
im sure strider ould disapprove though if he found out about the term limit rule his run would have to end

 

[GenMarshall]

Originally posted by BCLG100
im not sure i like the current law but the other one sounds good
im sure strider ould disapprove though if he found out about the term limit rule his run would have to end

We nust not forget that the Term Limit rule will be quite unpopular to Strider, Falcon02, and to the other people who aspire to become a 1+ leader straght through .

 

[BCLG100]

ah yes well it has sorta failed for falcon not being here in the first term but striders going for it

 

[Donovan Zoi]

Originally posted by Cyc
As a CFC Civ3 Demogame player who has seen all the Elections here, I would have to say the current guidelines for eligibility are very fair. There will always be some grumbling and griping about how restrictive they are, but usually only by people new to the political system here. Once you take that first step, then you have to follow the rules or step down and give someone else a shot. If you have the huevos and the desire, you'll put enough value or worth on the position your going for and do it. Putting a second position on the line to fall back onto doesn't seem like it would hold the same dedication level or desire to serve.

The current rules not only seek to help the beginners in the political spectrum, but make some of the lifer politicians key or focus on what they really want. The rule should stay, IMHO.

My opinion as well. Well said, Cyc!

@Fionn, you took a chance and unfortunately it didn't pan out. The payoff is that you will get to try for 2 positions again next term. The system works and should not be changed.

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

this had no bearing on if i lost the presidential election or not. i just think we are thinking of the newbies way too much when this past election we didnt even have races for the positions. So therefore if the newbies are not partipating in the game, then an exception should be made to let incumbant leaders get a second bite of the apple. Why limit things. I chose to run for pres and lost. No way around it, but we cant keep having uncontested races either.

Also i think having a 3-4 term limit is a good idea. This makes it so people can get a chance at other positions as well. They may be good at the position but sometimes new blood might help the game along as well. People dont like seeing people in office forever

 

[Cyc]

I pushed for Term limits long ago, it's just that people didn't want to be restricted in that manner either. To me Term limits are a good idea, but they would address the situation that the "only run for one" rule does (or whatever we used to call it). I can see using both rules, but one can't replace the other.

 

[Donovan Zoi]

@Fionn, the intent of my post was to personalize the rules to your situation, not to imply that your reasoning in this discussion stemmed from your loss in the election. My apologies if this was misconstrued.

As a "newbie" myself(a skin I am trying to shed quickly), I shudder to think what your proposal would do to my, uh, kind. Shaitan and Eklektikos, for example, would probably win both spots they tried for and we would have to go through any number of appointments and confusion when we should be planning Fanatika's future. A newbie would probably get a position back anyway when that incumbent chose the higher office. As for term limits, I believe that the pool is too small to just set free a talented public servant mid-game because he is too popular.

As I've said before, the current rule should stand. It imposes limits on the standing, and it gives more options to the fallen or unproven. This system works fine as-is, and I mean no disrespect by once again citing your example this term as my proof.