Mausoleum replaces Jail for India?

[Mongolia]

How come the Mausoleum replaces the Jail for India and add 2 happiness? Isn't a Mausoleum simply a place where dead people are buried? So the Indians kill there criminals and put all the bodies into a Mausoleum, this makes the populace more happy because they know that the criminals are not getting angry in there cells untill they are eventually realeased to have revenge? Or is it simply that the Indian's put there Criminals into Mausoleums to "scare" them into being good people and this makes the populace happy because they think it works well?
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[potatokiosk]

It's just a stupid building hastily crammed in because they can't think of anything better.

 

[Bongo-Bongo]

I'd like to know the reason for this as well. It seems rather odd to replace a jail with a tomb.

The same goes with the Aztecs. Why is a courthouse, a place that trials and sentences people, replaced with a sacrificial altar which is where people are sacraficed to the gods? Strange.

 

[marioflag]

And also malls replace grocery?It should replace supermarket logically.Also forums give +25%birthrate? WOW.
Anyway in this game a lot of things doesn't make sense but it is great also for this.

 

[Mongolia]

When I heard that the Americans where going to have malls, I was sure it was going to replace supermarkets, it is dumb they replace grocers because grocers come with guilds which also give knights, did you ever hear Sir Lancelot say "I'm just goin to pop down to the mall get that lovely new sheild!" I didn't think so.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Well the
Altar was a place of Government (state=religion) just like the courthouse

The Mausoleum... I think you could consider it like a Memorial/National Monument (imagine it Replacing Jails instead of a version of Jails) the Memorial by getting national pride up lowers War Weariness and Increases Happiness

Forums make perfect sense to increase birth rate... by which is meant Great People Birth Rate.


Malls, well they really are a type of Marketplace, but that is too early, and the Game Balancers figured a Supermarket was too late, so they made it a Grocer. (you can be partially appeased that the Main Benefit (happiness) is not available until the time malls actually began appearing)

Actually having them replace a Marketplace with similar 'Hit' benefits but reduced 'Commerce' benefits might work better in terms of sensibility

 

[GeorgeOP]

India is supposed to be the non-war civilization. So why should they have Jails, which reduce war weariness. India should have extra weariness, so they removed Jails. They then replaced it with something that can give more happiness at anytime, which makes it better than Jails.

These aren't upgrades of building they replace, they are "you can't build those, but we'll give you this building instead." It makes sense to me.

 

[Mongolia]

These aren't upgrades of building they replace, they are "you can't build those, but we'll give you this building instead." It makes sense to me.

So then why make the Mausoleum availible with Constituation?

For this whole reason of research, I think they should have stuck too upgrades of buildings they replace, and lots of them are simply upgrades of buildings they replace, like the Russian Research Institute replacing the Laboratory.

India is supposed to be the non-war civilization. So why should they have Jails, which reduce war weariness. India should have extra weariness, so they removed Jails. They then replaced it with something that can give more happiness at anytime, which makes it better than Jails.

And Mausoleums still take away War Weariness, the feature that it says they do is an extra feature on top of the feature the normal building does, if it were not then the Mongolian Gir would be exactly the same as the Stable ir replaces.

So that whole last quote has no ground.

 

[Mongolia]

Well the
Altar was a place of Government (state=religion) just like the courthouse

Neither the Altar nor the Courthouse was a "Centre" of Goverment, they were just associated with it, why would the Altar come with Code of Laws?

The Mausoleum... I think you could consider it like a Memorial/National Monument (imagine it Replacing Jails instead of a version of Jails) the Memorial by getting national pride up lowers War Weariness and Increases Happiness

Then how come the Mausoleum comes when you get Constituation, like the Jail, India would have had Musoleums way before the Constituation and the Constitution has nothing to do with Mausoleums.

Forums make perfect sense to increase birth rate... by which is meant Great People Birth Rate.

Are you sure it dosn't mean simply the rate at which your town grows? I could be wrong, but I don't know why it dosn't simply say "Increases Great People Birth rate".

Malls, well they really are a type of Marketplace, but that is too early, and the Game Balancers figured a Supermarket was too late, so they made it a Grocer. (you can be partially appeased that the Main Benefit (happiness) is not available until the time malls actually began appearing)

Grocers are way too early, Supermarkets are not too late.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Neither the Altar nor the Courthouse was a "Centre" of Goverment, they were just associated with it, why would the Altar come with Code of Laws?

Consider it a Codification of State Religious power (and those are Centers of government... if not in the civ sense that a Palace is)

Then how come the Mausoleum comes when you get Constituation, like the Jail, India would have had Musoleums way before the Constituation and the Constitution has nothing to do with Mausoleums.

Consider it advanced form of Nationalism (or a Codification of it)
[Constitution has nothing to do with Jails either, except possibly limiting them, and Currency is not necessary for Marketplaces, etc.]

Are you sure it dosn't mean simply the rate at which your town grows? I could be wrong, but I don't know why it dosn't simply say "Increases Great People Birth rate".

"Birth rate" has always meant Great People (there was confusion when Civ 4 was first coming out about Pacifism and Philosophical)

Grocers are way too early, Supermarkets are not too late.

For REALISM.. Supermarkets are just Right (time wise ... realistically a Mall is a Modern Marketplace, there is rarely a food market [except restaurants and 'specialty foods'....and specialty foods: Spices, Sugar, Wine, Fruit does tie into a Grocer more than a Supermarket: Cow, Pigs, Sheep, Deer ])

For Game Balance... a Later UB is a disadvantage and they figured that making it too late would make America too weak. (of course for all I know they might change it after further Balancing to place it with Supermarket and make it more like the Russian Research Institute... (give it a +25% Culture and +50% Gold, +2 Happiness, and the "Hit Bonus")

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

Well, some historical basis for the original question...

The Taj Mahal was originally constructed by The Mughal Emperor Shah Jahan as a mausoleum for his wife, Mumtaz Mahal. Unfortunately, immediately following its construction, Shah Jahan was imprissoned by his son in one of the Taj's out building, sentenced to look forever upon his wife's tomb.

So the Taj is a bit of both Masuoleum and Jail. That's enough basis in reality for me.

 

[Mongolia]

While I am still not totally satified with some of the new unique buildings, you do raise good points.

 

[civilleader]

The Taj Mahal is not the only thing India built. Masoleum is a TERRIBLE reflection of Indian culture. See the thread India's unique building for my argument.

Also Prince Aurangzeb imprisoned Shah Jahan in a palace...at least thats what I know. I've been to the Taj and there is very little actual living room. It just has two tombs in the center.

Also the Moghals were invaders from Afghanistan and ethnically Turkish and Mongolian so what they built isnt the besst reflection.

 

[Rex Tyrannus]

I'm certain that you, being a native Indian, have the right of it. For reference, what I cited was taken from Wikipedia and it says he was imprisioned in one of the buildings just off the Taj Mahal's grounds (if I remember correctly).

Though your point about India having built much more than the Taj is apt. It's unfortunate, though, that the only thing most westerners think of when India comes to mind is the Taj.

This being a western-designed game, I simply thought to add a possible rationale to Firaxis' choice of replacing Jails with Mausoleums.

 

[Mongolia]

This being a western-designed game

More like a American-designed game, we Europeans don't get a very good deal either.

 

[Mongolia]

See the thread India's unique building for my argument.

Where is "India's unique building" I searched it and didn't find it.

 

[bioelectricclam]

Here's the way I see it:

In wars, people die. Mausoleum causes happiness because it removes dead bodies from peoples sight...I'd be happy too if the streets no longer had dead bodies everywhere. It also reduces war weariness for the same reason- people aren't so upset about a war when they don't have to look at all the people who have died from it.

As for the Sacrificial Altar, the Aztec normally sacrificed prisoners of war from their vassal nations. It reduces maintenance because it finishes off the people who would normally make war upon your country; less war means less need for people to run a war. Also, because the human sacrifices were a public spectacle, it made the Aztec civilians less likely to complain about being forced to do heavy slave labors and the like...sure, we have to make roads and temples and stuff, but at least they aren't cutting out our hearts with obscindian blades. And finally, what better way to enforce your laws than by brutal human sacrifices?