max poulation possible?

[jonnyboy1000]

whta is the max population possible in civ 2?
what has anyone managed to get?
a mate of mine was trying for 1 billion, but the counter reset itself at 300 million, is this a bug?

 

[funxus]

I think the counter only can show a certain amount, but you still have your citizens. I think that the citizens/score is manually counted in maxscore games, because the counters can't keep track of everything.

I assume that the max amount of population would be the amount you'd get if you have 255(?) cities of size 127(?). Which is 32385 faces. I assume the math for the amount of citizens would be something like:

P = (127 * (10,000 + 1,270,000) / 2) * 255 = 2.07 x 10^10

This couldn't be done without using the Food Caravan Trick, and there might be other complications I don't know of.

 

[addiv]

Wow, 20,726,400,000 citizens! That's not even that strange a number actually, in theory the real world could reach that. Civ 2 is really a realistic game.

 

[Ace]

Two problems with your calculations. First, you can only have 254 cities, the AI must have one, or the game is over. Second, there is no way you can build 254 cities to size 127 in the number of turns in the game, even at chiefton level!! Using the food caravan trick, it takes two food caravans to make one city grow one population point. To use your formula, you have to "pair off" all 254 of your cities and just swap freight. That can be done, but it means your cities will only grow every other turn and you need the pyramids, or build a granary in every city. And you will also have to build regular freight to generate enough gold to rush buy freight every turn. It is impossible to get all 254 cities up to 50 shields per turn to get a freight each turn. Even with mfg. plants, a city with mostly grasslands just won't make it. A city must have 20 basic shields in order to be able to reach 50s with all the improvements.

In fact, I have never seen a game posted, or refered to here, with more that one size 127 city. Think of it like this, if you celebrate a city to size 40, it will than take you 87 turns delivering 2 food freight per turn to reach 127!

It sounds very good in theory, but in practice, there are physical limits! Give it a try and you will see what I mean.

 

[funxus]

I never said it was practically possible, I assumed it wouldn't be, but I was trying to get a mathematical max number of citizens. I wasn't sure of the numbers 255 and 127, which is why I put (?) after them. I'm just glad no one has shown any mathematical errors yet.

 

[Specialist290]

Another question which is kinda related...

How do you calculate the population of a city based on the "City Size"? What is the mathematical formula for that?

 

[funxus]

Each new citizen adds 10,000 more than the last citizen, and the first adds 10,000. So, the second adds 20,000, the third citizen adds 30,000 and the fourth adds 40,000. This means that a size 5 city has 10,000 +20,000 +30,000 +40,000 +50,000=150,000 citizens.

The formula is AritmethicSum(n)=n *(a1 + an)/2 =
n * (10,000 + 10,000*n) / 2
where n is the size of the city.

E.g. a size 40 city will have
40 * (10,000 + 40 *10,000) / 2 = 40 * 410,000 / 2 = 8,200,000 inhabitants

 

[Specialist290]

Thanks funxus. I always wondered about that.