Ace of Gold
MAKE WAY FOR THE BAD GUY
What legacy did Mussolini leave behind, it can be positive or negative.
Mussolini's legacy
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Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
An hilarious Homer Simpson moment, where he acts like Mussolini while in Italy.
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
Quite humourously, he didn't actually make the trains run on time. That's just a myth. Apparently the trains were one of the few things in the country that were working fine before he took over.
Also, I think you'll find they actually ran on oregano.
That's about it. (Now, if you want to know about Hitler's legacy...)
Sharwood
Rich, doctor nephew
An hilarious Indiana Jones moment?
MajorGeneral2
Just happy to be here
I'm going to say that, at least outside Italy, Mussolini will best be remembered as a footnote to Ezra Pound's Cantos, similar to how several people are better remembered for being in Dante's Divine Comedy than for anything they actually accomplished themselves. This is a very long-term prediction, of course.
Also, Obligatory link.
Nicely done.
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West 36
Can count up to 4
Yeah, the trains being on time had nothing to do with him.
There was a poster for the Italian military in WWII that showed a legion of soldiers, all with his face on them. So that's funny.
OH! To his credit, he did put on an absolutely splendid show in Milan in 1945. Really fantastic, I hope you all check it out sometime.
There was a poster for the Italian military in WWII that showed a legion of soldiers, all with his face on them. So that's funny.
OH! To his credit, he did put on an absolutely splendid show in Milan in 1945. Really fantastic, I hope you all check it out sometime.
If you could find that, I would...love you forever? I have an unhealthy liking for propaganda posters.
Sofista
Deity
For Italy:
1) The final nail into any dream of being a great power;
2) A new Penal code;
3) The introduction of universal social security in Italy;
4) A reformation of the national school system;
5) The insititutionalization, thereby legitimization of anti-Semitism.
1) The final nail into any dream of being a great power;
2) A new Penal code;
3) The introduction of universal social security in Italy;
4) A reformation of the national school system;
5) The insititutionalization, thereby legitimization of anti-Semitism.
7ronin
海軍少佐
Do the trains still run on time? 
Nobody
Gangster
he smashed the mafia.
holy king
Deity
a good guide in how to deal with fascists:
Sofista
Deity
The Penal code is still in use, the school reform have been give or take left intact until the 90s, universal social security was a novelty he'd observed abroad and found indispensible (he noticed the common Austro-Italians prefered to enjoy a more advanced social system trather than being reunited with the motherland...).
As for anti-Semitism, it was not a diffused ideology - see article here:
It's Mussolini's responsibility to have sold out to Hitler and have started a racial policy (and propaganda) of his own, which was to give visibility to a current until then pretty unknown to the masses.
Lockesdonkey
Liberal Jihadist
Mussolini's legacy consists of the following:
1. A principled opposition among Italians to having anything run on time, let alone the trains.
2. Linked to (1), the realization among Italians that running the world more than once isn't all it's cracked up to be, and besides who cares who holds power when they have to do it in your suits?
3. His ridiculous granddaughter gets to put her name on an equally ridiculous political party.
1. A principled opposition among Italians to having anything run on time, let alone the trains.
2. Linked to (1), the realization among Italians that running the world more than once isn't all it's cracked up to be, and besides who cares who holds power when they have to do it in your suits?
3. His ridiculous granddaughter gets to put her name on an equally ridiculous political party.
Hear, hear.
The penal code is still in use? I did not know that.
On the whole, however, I'd have to say you're overrating Mussolini's personal accomplishments. (Law codes are rarely the product of any one individual in particular. Also, he didn't "sell out" to Hitler, Hitler just overawed him on a personal level.)
The penal code is still in use? I did not know that.
On the whole, however, I'd have to say you're overrating Mussolini's personal accomplishments. (Law codes are rarely the product of any one individual in particular. Also, he didn't "sell out" to Hitler, Hitler just overawed him on a personal level.)
Sofista
Deity
Jeleen: being a dictatorship, I'd wager Mussolini had the final say on many important things in the Rocco code (M. himself had reintroduced capital punishment in 1926, and the code expanded its application), including some surprising measures (homosexuality was removed from penal crimes). The procedural reform I'd wager was mostly the minister's work.
"Selling out" to Hitler he did: personally, he didn't like him, and considered him a rambling maniac. Also remember Mussolini liked Dollfuss much more, and in 1934 after his assassination threatened Hitler to go to war should he attempt to annex Austria. However, after the Ethiopian invasion Italy was isolated from France and Britain, and Germany was the only continental power left to ally with. Ever the pragmatist, Mussolini did.
Oh, I'll have to add to his personal "achievements" the 1929 concordat, which repudiated the early Fascist laicism to give the Church a position in regard to the state. (Benito did it to apease the masses; shorlty after in the early 30's he sent the blackshirts to lay waste on Catholic presses and association centres, the former too independent, the latter guilty of "stealing" boys from Fascist youth organizations).
"Selling out" to Hitler he did: personally, he didn't like him, and considered him a rambling maniac. Also remember Mussolini liked Dollfuss much more, and in 1934 after his assassination threatened Hitler to go to war should he attempt to annex Austria. However, after the Ethiopian invasion Italy was isolated from France and Britain, and Germany was the only continental power left to ally with. Ever the pragmatist, Mussolini did.
Oh, I'll have to add to his personal "achievements" the 1929 concordat, which repudiated the early Fascist laicism to give the Church a position in regard to the state. (Benito did it to apease the masses; shorlty after in the early 30's he sent the blackshirts to lay waste on Catholic presses and association centres, the former too independent, the latter guilty of "stealing" boys from Fascist youth organizations).
