My First Victory

How did you win?

  • Diplomatic

    Votes: 18 20.9%
  • Conquest or two thirds of the world

    Votes: 13 15.1%
  • Culture

    Votes: 14 16.3%
  • Space Race

    Votes: 28 32.6%
  • Two thirds of the world

    Votes: 5 5.8%
  • Never Won

    Votes: 8 9.3%

  • Total voters
    86

ironfang

Warlord
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Messages
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Location
Virginia
I would just like to say that I won my first game as the Americans on a Huge, Continent world, with average temp and 16 Civs. Lets just say it took about 3 weeks and didnt end as I expected.

Started out making sure I had a balanced Civ. Made sure that I had the max supported units, tried to make sure that I had alot of trade and kept my Science at an acceptable rate. Built the Great Library, then Sun Tzu, the Hanging Gardens, Leonardos Workshop, Sistine Chapel, the Oracle, and maybe one or two others not worth mentioning. Being that my neighbors were a lousy lot (Zulus, Persians and Indians), I had to make sure my military was always in a state of "readiness".

By the time the end of the game came about, my nation was about 11,150,000 Sq KM. (a little bit bigger than Canada), and I was at war with everyone except the Iriqious and Romans (leaving 7 other civs to war with). I was in the process of finishing the Babalonians, and then going to redirect my efforts against the Zulus to the north. After that, I figured I would finish the Airports in all my cities and air lift a Major invasion against the Chineese and the other 7 civs with the help of my two allies. All was seeming to go the war way, it was 1909 when it happened.

The people of the world, so enamoured with the great Americans, burned the flags of their old culture, and decided to become Americans. In 1910, I achieved a cultural victory.

Shocked? I was. I didnt even pay attention to culture. I didnt plan on a cultural victory. I only used culture to expand my borders and absorb a few cities without a shot. What I didnt realize that the more my nation grew, the more culture I had pulled in. Even though some cities only had a temple and library, it added up through so many cities. I even created the UN to stop a diplomatic victory from my neighbors. Go figure, I use war, and then win with culture.

ironfang
 
You may want to add to this poll -
HISTOGRAPH WIN
 
My first, and still ONLY (despite having the game since it's release day!) victory was by culture also. I was quite disappointed, as I was doing really well, way ahead in science and what not, because it was only 1922 when I won, and I felt like the game still had a ways to go.......:(

I must add at this point that It was set on chieftain. ;)
 
Why did you put two thirds of the world in there twice? That will screw up the poll. Should have just put in 'Domination Victory' once and forget about this 'two-thirds' stuff.
 
it took me three tries to beat cheiftan by space race!!! ARGH!!! but i got better and have moved up to warlord! finally :p
 
I won the game first time around, but only by the skin of my teeth.
I had about three turns left when I finally finished my spaceship.
One thing really annoyed me though...
Try as I might, I COULD NOT get the research speed faster than one discovery every four turns. That can't be normal?:eek:
 
Research is limited to one every four turns. Tough break, but them are the breaks--it prevents one culture from getting WAY ahead of another randomly, which is a little true to life. We didn't all of a sudden get nuclear power, then space flight, then hard core computers within 1 year of each other, and when we acheived each thing, it seemed easier for other nations to do it as well.

Game balance
 
Won by Space Race in 1938 as Babylonians on Regent level with 2500+ points (also #1 in points). Large map with 4 competing Civs, Indians, Japanese, English and Chinese. Oh, it was my 2nd serious game and I always made attempts on Regent level.

It took a while to meet other Civs as I started on a private Island/Continent big enough to have about 26 quality cities. The biggest landmass was seperated by a wide Ocean passage and the other smaller continent had a Desert zone on the side towards me (also see attached pic).

I took a peaceful approach, although always well defended and with strike back options at hand. There was war 2 times, both with Japanese. First war started after a diplomatic dispute where they wanted to rip me off to maintain peace! They took one of my cities in the outskirts, a new and cheaper peace came quickly afterwards (I find this strange AI behaviour btw). The second war started when I decided to get my city back, which I did and achieved new peace on rather equal terms. That about my wars.

I was always strongest in culture and a number of Chinese cities were so much in awe they decided to join me. Also I bought some Japanese cities by Propaganda (the Japs decided for Communism to maintain their widespread empire). None of this ever changed anything in Diplomatic relations!

Nothing ever went really wrong, apart for some occasional bad luck building wonders, given my isolated position Magellan was on my priority list, losing it to the English with only 3 turns left before I could finish it. It was never boring however given the little opportunities I had for expansion and the military very active Japs and English. Also the need for strategic resources made it tense. I did never have any coal, aluminium, uranium or lux resources on my home Island! Traded the first with the Japs for 500 lumpsum once and got uninterrupted access for the rest of the game and traded lux with horses with English for the whole game.

Now some AI observations. Up until 3/4 of the game they played very reasonable and competitive (apart from the Jap peace negotiations, which I didn't bother about given the endresult).

The last quarter of the game the AI was mainly fighting itself and allowed me to gain final victory. First the Japs destroyed the Indians with little benefits for themselves. They pillaged most Indian cities and did not build their own cities there. This allowed me to move into the now empty terrain and build cities that gave access to the critical aluminium and uranium. Also the Japs never bothered to establish themselves in the quality terrain in the northern part of their continent, so that became mine as well.

While I was heading to start the Space Race the English and Japanese started to destroy the Chinese. No other Civ ever started the construction of a Spaceship component while they had all the advances nor was there any attempt to prevent my victory. Instead there were hordes of units running and sailing around doing what? My few cities on the big continent were very vulnerable to assaults and would have killed access to aluminium and uranium. The only guess I can make is that culture was decisive, yet I would have liked a bigger challenge in the end-game. Any similar experiences??????

Corruption was always manageble with 476 corruption on 2666 income in the last turn and most in place to fight corruption.

In need of sustained challenge my next game will be on :king: level!

In attached zip pic Babylonians are red and the crosshairs show the capital Babylon.
 

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Thnx dozenlong.
Always nice to know it's not only because I suck! :goodjob:
 
Diplomatic Victory/Warlord/Egyptians/192?

Some fool built the UN..and I didn't know what I was doing. I was fearful of waging war. I thought it was fun to trade for luxuries and technology. Then Blammo! They called a vote right after it was built by the Greeks or somebody..and they voted me in. Pretty cool..but I felt cheated. I wanted to go to 2050 and see all the units and tech and stuff. I still play with diplo condition on..but I race to get it the wonder rather than turn it off. It gives the game an extra challenge. Keeps you on your toes..and mind your P's and Q's.
 
I don't understand how the scoring system of Civ III works. It seems that a 'cultural' victory gets you a gazillion more points than a 'diplomatic' or 'militaristic' victory. Does anyone know why?

Also, I was curious to know how many points you guys have scored on the lowest game level when you won. That way I will know how much I suck because I have the feeling I suck at this game...(But I don't care because I love it anyway!)
 
Culture. And it came so sudden - just a notice on the screen and the game was over. Nothing like "In 10 turns, you will dominate the world culture" or something...

I still don't know what I'm doing "wrong", but until I disabled the cultural victory, I was unable to win in any other way... Well, in one game I spent all my time building units and conquering the world (funny enough, I had to wipe out all opponents, because by the end the map was less than 50% colonized), but that was a special case...
 
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