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Uh, state ownership is actually not uncommon in monarchic system (And nothing would stop a theocracy from having the same)?
 
Evie said:
state ownership and state management of the means of production. and the theory of communism and the dictatorship of the proletariat, in a monarchical, democratic system this is impossible and. illogicalUh, state ownership is actually not uncommon in monarchic system (And nothing would stop a theocracy from having the same)?
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The notion that the king owns the land (the chiefest of all means of production) and only grants you lease to use it (and that requiriting you to actually use it) is pretty historically common in monarchies.

That's a form of state property.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is a separate concept that's not included in any of the Civ IV civics, assuming state property must always mean dictature of the proletariat is your own interpretation but is not actually said in the game.
 
Evie said:
The notion that the king owns the land (the chiefest of all means of production) and only grants you lease to use it (and that requiriting you to actually use it) is pretty historically common in monarchies.

That's a form of state property.

The dictatorship of the proletariat is a separate concept that's not included in any of the Civ IV civics, assuming state property must always mean dictature of the proletariat is your own interpretation but is not actually said in the game.
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no the king who owns the land and gives it to the vassal and feudalism, and the idea of ideolology of communism and fascism that has been underdeveloped
 
CIV dont realy have any representation of social classes. Different forms of goverment, religion or culture are actualy meaningless and are just a source of bonus as would be X or Y resource or tech.
Would be nice to have goverments, religions and cultures that realy need population management and proper unique mechanics.
 
The king owning all the land exist *far* beyond the confines of feudalism.

ALL ideologies in Civ IV are made flexible so you can build your own system, and all modern political systems are combinations of civics (USSR-style communism is not a single civic; it's State Property, Bureaucracy, Emancipation and Police State)

The idea that any single civic need to represent an entire ideology by itself is terrible.
 
on the simulation of the game of the external and internal situation of a nation. how to simulate the mood of the people and a possible discontent and consequent revolution? . how to simulate napoleon's abdication and return in 100 days? or the restoration of charles I IN Great Britain? WRITE IN THE COMMENTS THANK YOU
 
and fundamental for civ 7 the simulation: how to simulate the collapse of the soviet union, or the collapse of the roman empire? , the causes not only military, political, and a problem of simulation of social classes, of internal social and political dynamics mainly commented on thanks
 
luca 83 said:
and fundamental for civ 7 the simulation: how to simulate the collapse of the soviet union, or the collapse of the roman empire? , the causes not only military, political, and a problem of simulation of social classes, of internal social and political dynamics mainly commented on thanks
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It would be good if we knew how it happened in reality first...
 
"modern historians posit factors including the effectiveness and numbers of the army, the health and numbers of the Roman population, the strength of the economy, the competence of the emperors, the internal struggles for power, the religious changes of the period, and the efficiency of the civil administration. Increasing pressure from invading barbarians outside Roman culture also contributed greatly to the collapse. Climatic changes and both endemic and epidemic disease drove many of these immediate factors."

"factors including", so it makes a whole lot. Either Romans didn't get lucky (like Giant Jesus just put a hit of sword in it), either this participates to different theories.
 
following the story I created more points to discuss: barbarians so they should go from nomadic to permanent and create their own civilization. put back the culture of civilization as in iv, where the percentages of foreign culture in civilization remain. but they do not disappear if the foreign civilization is conquered or destroyed, possibility of being able to restore a dead civilization in civilization or in city state. civil wars, internal dynamics of civilization: work, social classes, internal politics, economics, political parties. revolutions and changes of government violent types of government more in-depth, coup d etat. religion improvements: schisms, more popes religious disputes. better ai, more precise maps, comment thanks




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Naokaukodem said:
It reminds me of a funny theory, unless it was a straight up joke. :lol:
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Well it is mentioned in one of the civic quotes for Early Empire, so I guess that means it could be partly true. :dunno:
 
If an ally of mine recaptures a city of my property in a war after or during, he should be able to give it back: for consistency and a realistic spirit, or not to make it create tensions
 
think the game should be more political for the government: the 4 for example is limited for the forms of government why is the emancipation form mandatory and not exchangeable all other civilizations in the end use this form? Democracy and emancipation are only the richest forms in terms of benefits, in this call to Power it was better in the form of gold distribution, work, production, science
 
luca 83 said:
think the game should be more political for the government: the 4 for example is limited for the forms of government why is the emancipation form mandatory and not exchangeable all other civilizations in the end use this form? Democracy and emancipation are only the richest forms in terms of benefits, in this call to Power it was better in the form of gold distribution, work, production, science
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Emancipation used to create unhappiness in civilizations without it. Civilizations with emancipation didn't have any of these penalties. Also, the penalties added more when more civilizations were emancipated.
 
the possibility of having computer-managed civilizations without emancipation can and must exist the emancipation bonuses are too generous!
 
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