My thoughts on CPL multiplayer

[Fluphen Azine]

Pub games have just as much or more abuse and collusion and are filled with fascists, commies and stoners. There's no private chat allowed in CPL FFA if there is collusion you know what's going on.

CPL is a lot like playing a hand of poker at a casino. You can't take loosing personally.

It's gotten worse. Some of the Top Player's stream and their chat partners give them all sorts of reminders. It's so funny cause you're not allowed to stream snipe but if you stream you can get 10 players helping you through chat

 

[Fluphen Azine]

Well I'm sorry I missed this post here, but TBH, why are you posting feedback about CPL on CFR? If you wanted to help us make the place better, post on our Discord...

To address your points, yes we know that games in CPL are not always easy for new players, we are very aware of that. Which is why there is a Novice area on our server, and Ghost and Zaty each run weekly novice games for that segment of the league. But during prime hours there is no reason Novice players can't just jump into Staging Novice and play a game...more experienced players are not allowed in novice games unless voted in by the novices.

As far as player dynamic in games, that is human dynamics, not our rules or policies. We have 3 types of games, Diplo, Diplo+ and Always War, and by far the most popular is D+ were everything has to be in the open. And this is MP, people do develop friendships, and good or bad reputations, that is going to affect who you trust in a game and who you don't. IMHO this is not a new player vs vet issue, it's just players seeing who is around them, and making the best calculated risk on who to ally with, who to attack early etc. Things like Congress votes do tend to be negotiations as well, but in the end you are free to do what you want.

And as far as players "making demands on were you settle etc" sure that happens...not limited to top players...anyone can do that...and if either do what they want in the name of long term diplomacy, or risk war with them, this is real people you are playing with not the scripted AI.

Not to be too critical, but most of your post is really about social dynamics of playing real people, and they are not "top players" they are vets of the league yes, but the average skill is still 1500-1600 in the average FFA. Yes there is a gap between even our average players and new/novice players coming from SP. I'm not sure if you have played random lobby MP games....but the crap that goes on their with no rules is 100 times worse than at Civplayers, we punish players for quitting, cheating, being toxic, and offer a very organized way to play games in our discord with our vote bots, and ranking system for those that like comparing their skill to others.

The solution is to play novice games until you have 30 games or so, or try out our PBC games, or even try the CPL Challenge save games.

Cheers CSA

You could at least crack down on the backseat gaming inside of streams. You have a rule against stream sniping but not backseat gaming and it is constant. Even one of your Top Moderators (Herson) is constantly getting help from backseat chat. Not that he needs it. Just saying.

 

[Fluphen Azine]

Number One CPL FFA player for over 2 years just got banned for cheating lol lol lol.

 

[Fluphen Azine]

LOL... CPL is crumbling. Bunch of Cheaters lol.

 

[CanuckSoldier]

Number One CPL FFA player for over 2 years just got banned for cheating lol lol lol.

You must be a friend of Herson's...cheating happens its human nature. We have had 3 cases of major cheating out of 16K ranked players, if you are weak at math that is 0.0001857 percent of members of CPL....but don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

CS

 

[CanuckSoldier]

CPL civ players league is by far the largest online portal for multiplayer and it's absolutely horrendous for new players.

It's not a FFA, it's who are the top players and how can we make them happy so we're not on the chopping block

First of all any questions or mistakes are met with harsh rebukes(which typically come from the top players) and all the other players tend to pile on as to be in the top players good graces.

During game things get worse. The top players routine ask for money and are given it, told where to find wonders, told the layout of the land, are given alliances, military buffs. It's not uncommon for the top players to make commands about where other players can and cannot settle. As a New of low rated player it's much harder to get any of the aforementioned benefits and it's not uncommon to be completely ignored. The way the other players grovel to the top players is sad. Not only are they good players they has these "legacy" advantages that makes them unstoppable and you simply play the game waiting to get taken out as his units have all sorts of buffs from various alliances that you can't get due to the fact that everyone is scared of upsetting said player.

The have a war only mode where there isn't communication but this is rarely played. They have a novice FFA but you'll never get a game.

Just to update this old post, our novice section is huge now with 20+ games each day.

CS

 

[amad]

You must be a friend of Herson's...cheating happens its human nature.

This is such a dishonest way to react to this.

Who they are friends with is irrelevant. Attacking their person just reflects badly on you.
And they are not wrong, there is a massive cheating problem. 3 Top players in a short time span is a lot. And while you may dismiss it as being "human nature", the whole point for moderators and admins to find and ban rule breakers (with cheaters being first and foremost).

And didn't you personally vote, not to ban one of those major cases of cheating?

From the outside perspective, the only reason for admins to actively disrupt cheating investigations. Is because they, themselves, have something to hide.

 

[CanuckSoldier]

This is such a dishonest way to react to this.

Who they are friends with is irrelevant. Attacking their person just reflects badly on you.
And they are not wrong, there is a massive cheating problem. 3 Top players in a short time span is a lot. And while you may dismiss it as being "human nature", the whole point for moderators and admins to find and ban rule breakers (with cheaters being first and foremost).

And didn't you personally vote, not to ban one of those major cases of cheating?

From the outside perspective, the only reason for admins to actively disrupt cheating investigations. Is because they, themselves, have something to hide.

Apparently math is not your strong point either... I'm the 8 years of civ6 we've had three cases of cheating that resulted in bans...we banned them, after fair investigations, the latest case did not cheat, and we have this principle of innocent until proven guilty. Again 3 cases in 8 years with 16000 players is hardly a "massive problem" . But I'm sure you guys think if you say it enough times it makes it true...

 

[amad]

I'm the 8 years of civ6 we've had three cases of cheating that resulted in bans...we banned them

You are misrepresenting the facts here.

You have had 3 the cases of banned cheaters, only after someone recently starting to take cheating seriously. The real number of cheating players is unknown because you haven't adequately investigated them over more than 7 years and have removed the person doing most of the investigative work. In fact, it appears you're doing everything in your power to make sure certain cheaters aren't investigated.


It appears you dodged the question about how you personally voted on banning the cheater, btw.

But by all means. Please show us this "fair investigation" that happened in the latest case. If it was indeed, fair and detailed, you would have nothing to hide. Right?

 

[CanuckSoldier]

You are misrepresenting the facts here.

You have had 3 the cases of banned cheaters, only after someone recently starting to take cheating seriously. The real number of cheating players is unknown because you haven't adequately investigated them over more than 7 years and have removed the person doing most of the investigative work. In fact, it appears you're doing everything in your power to make sure certain cheaters aren't investigated.


It appears you dodged the question about how you personally voted on banning the cheater, btw.

But by all means. Please show us this "fair investigation" that happened in the latest case. If it was indeed, fair and detailed, you would have nothing to hide. Right?

We have always taken cheating seriously on CPL, and I'm not misrepresenting anything. You are the one engaged in spreading propaganda not me. Civreplay the program has only existed for a year and a half....so using it to cheat is new. Herson has only been on CPL for under two years...so he's hardly been part the justice system here for very long. If you are interested in facts you can go look at the #suspended players channel and see all the punishments we give out every week, day in day out. So I have nothing to prove to you buddy. And if you want you can head over and look at the document we just published in response to Herson's video. But then you really are not interested in the truth just slandering Broccolli and CPL in general. Cheers

CS

 

[amad]

We have always taken cheating seriously on CPL,

It's very clearly that this is not the case for you and the CPL. You voted against banning the cheater. Despite your best efforts, he got banned anyway but now you managed to scuttle other investigations.

So I have nothing to prove to you buddy

The sheer arrogance of the CPL admins not allowing any transparency or accountability with your low effort cheating "investigations"

 

[CanuckSoldier]

lol I'm the one that made the ultimate decision to ban Andrew buddy, but believe what you want too, I'm done trying to debate facts with your propaganda here. Enjoy.

CS

 

[Sigwald]

Please, continue this discussion, it was very entertaining.

 

[Smith_b90]

lol I'm the one that made the ultimate decision to ban Andrew buddy, but believe what you want too, I'm done trying to debate facts with your propaganda here. Enjoy.

CS

I heard that CPL admins took a vote to ban someone. 5 people voted ban while 11 people voted not to ban. That person was banned anyway despite a considerable majority voting against that action. Is that propaganda too?

 

[greenOak]

This has got to be the most dysfunctional community I've ever seen.

I was interested in civ 6 mp 1-2 years ago and joined the CPL discord server but I got a weird vibe from the place and never ended up participating. In hindsight, the community looks even worse than I ever imagined.

 

[amad]

lol I'm the one that made the ultimate decision to ban Andrew buddy, but believe what you want too, I'm done trying to debate facts with your propaganda here. Enjoy.

There is a very clear screenshot that you voted AGAINST banning Andrew. You simply got outvoted.

Talk about being toxic. You can't even be honest about his own vote. And that's the HEAD ADMIN of the CP league.

 

[Fluphen Azine]

You must be a friend of Herson's...cheating happens its human nature. We have had 3 cases of major cheating out of 16K ranked players, if you are weak at math that is 0.0001857 percent of members of CPL....but don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

CS

I can't stand Herson. I can't stand you either lol.

 

[Fluphen Azine]

This has got to be the most dysfunctional community I've ever seen.

I was interested in civ 6 mp 1-2 years ago and joined the CPL discord server but I got a weird vibe from the place and never ended up participating. In hindsight, the community looks even worse than I ever imagined.

I've played with them for a very long time. Even when they were a part of the NQ Group on Steam before they had a split and turned into the CPL. They always been toxic, but they are still the best place to play multiplayer Civ 6 and 7 but yeah, I can only stand them for about 6 months before I need a year or two break from the action.