Nairobi attacks - you'll have seen this, no doubt.

Too easy to defeat.

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5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

Jihadists can just claim that they target those who wreak corruption in the land. And if they count non-Muslims as less than human (which is all too easy to do), then attacking non-Muslims can easily be seen as saving lives (of Muslims).

(I can't be bothered with the rest.)
 
You "can't be bothered" with not realizing that is just so much Islamophobic nonsense? That these "jihadists" are clearly violating the basic precepts of Islam, much like Christian terrorists are violating the fundamental aspects of their own religion, despite their wacky extremist rationalizations to the contrary? :crazyeye:
 
No, you mistake me.

I'm not saying I can't be bothered with Islam. Or with realizing it's islamophobic nonsense. It is.

It's just that giving lists of reasons that Islam doesn't condone terrorism is just too easy to defeat.
 
What utter nonsense. The over 1 billion peaceful Muslims "defeat" it every single day by the example they provide by leading their lives to the complete contrary of the handful of fanatics, just like the peaceful Christians do.
 
You are the one who seems "confused". You could start by trying to "defeat" the facts instead of apparently ignoring them.
 
Well, not really. (Though I see what you mean).

The problem is not the 1 billion peaceful Muslims at all. As you say.

The problem is the jihadists. Unless you can persuade them out their radicalism you'll never get anywhere. And unless you can see how they think you'll never persuade them they're wrong. Which may not be likely even then.
 
But that hardly "defeats" the basic facts that both Islam and Christianity are inherently peaceful. That merely because there are a handful of fanatics in both religions who don't really even understand the basic precepts of their religion hardly changes that. :crazyeye:
 
Formaldehyde said:
You "can't be bothered" with not realizing that is just so much Islamophobic nonsense? That these "jihadists" are clearly violating the basic precepts of Islam, much like Christian terrorists are violating the fundamental aspects of their own religion, despite their wacky extremist rationalizations to the contrary? :crazyeye:
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Borachio said:
No, you mistake me.

I'm not saying I can't be bothered with Islam. Or with realizing it's islamophobic nonsense. It is.

It's just that giving lists of reasons that Islam doesn't condone terrorism is just too easy to defeat.
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Formaldehyde said:
What utter nonsense. The over 1 billion peaceful Muslims "defeat" it every single day by the example they provide by leading their lives to the complete contrary of the handful of fanatics, just like the peaceful Christians do.
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Borachio said:
What utter nonsense? You seem confused.
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Formaldehyde said:
You are the one who seems "confused". You could start by trying to "defeat" the facts instead of apparently ignoring them.
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@Forma:

This exchange perfectly illustrates why so many posters here ignore you. :shake:

You fail to see how someone is actually agreeing with you, and instead focus with fanatical intensity on a perceived miniscule difference of opinion. I'm not speaking as a moderator here, but as someone who, in the past, respected your posts. Keep this up, and soon you'll be on everyone's ignore list. You'll have nobody left to post against.

Back on topic:
Is there a reliable number for how many of these extremists came from the US? I've seen widely varying numbers, from 2 to 12.
 
It is hardly a "minuscule difference" at all. It is basically reiterating what the Islamophobes continue to claim without any factual basis whatosever.

And a few posters ignoring me who can't seem to help themselves discussing others instead of the topic, as you just did, is hardly "so many". :crazyeye:

"Keep this up" and you will "perfectly illustrate" that you are really no different than they are.
 
You still haven't managed to "defeat" the basic facts. Now have you?

"The irony is palpable."
 
I don't expect I have.

I don't expect I could talk radicalized jihadists out of their world views either. But, in the end, I think that's the only solution possible to this sort of attack.
 
Formaldehyde said:
You "can't be bothered" with not realizing that is just so much Islamophobic nonsense? That these "jihadists" are clearly violating the basic precepts of Islam, much like Christian terrorists are violating the fundamental aspects of their own religion, despite their wacky extremist rationalizations to the contrary? :crazyeye:
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What difference does that make? Do they suddenly become non-Islamic when they do that? Possibly in your mind, but they dont skate in mine. Maybe the non-violent Muslims
should police themselves
 
Borachio said:
That's not a solution, though. You'll still have someone's religion as the problem.
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Not if carried to its natural conclusion.

It should be obvious that they do NOT want to peacefully co-exist.
That is where self-defense applies
 
Chiteng said:
I do NOT add all 'christian' religions together and pretend they are simply one religion.
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Chiteng said:
What difference does that make? Do they suddenly become non-Islamic Christian when they do that? Possibly in your mind, but they dont skate in mine. Maybe the non-violent Christians
should police themselves
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Bias is as bias does.
 
peter grimes said:
Bias is as bias does.
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My religion does not demand that everyone else convert to it, or die or be enslaved.
Islam does.

There is no real comparison. When you pretend there is, you defend by inference
the actions of the perps.
 
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