No Israel in Expansion Pack?

[Armed_Maniac]

Ethics derived from the human conscience? Yours? Mine? Pol Pot's? Bin Laden's? Emperor Augustus'? Ivan the Terrible's? Without God everything is permissible! Why is it that children have to be taught that there is no creator God?

Ethics derived from divine teachings? Jehovah? Allah? Anubis? Hades? Satan? With God everything is permissible! Why is it that children have to be taught that there is a creator god?

israel rules!

i realy think it shoud be in the exp game.

israel have a very important part in the world!

Please, you are asking for a flame war and trolling...

 

[Mott1]

Ethics derived from the human conscience? Yours? Mine? Pol Pot's? Bin Laden's? Emperor Augustus'? Ivan the Terrible's?

Sure, we are all human therefore we all contain a human conscience. Even the infamous players such as Bin Laden, Hitler, and Stalin have the same ethics as you or I.
However it is our individual choice whether or not to follow our ethics.

Without God everything is permissible!

Actually with or without God everything is permissible.
Remember,God gave of us free will.

Why is it that children have to be taught that there is no creator God?

I do not believe humans are born with an inherent knowledge of a greater power/creator.

 

[Tulkas12]

Ethics derived from divine teachings? Jehovah? Allah? Anubis? Hades? Satan? With God everything is permissible! Why is it that children have to be taught that there is a creator god?



Please, you are asking for a flame war and trolling...

Ok I've read your posts for a while now, and I'll say it since I haven't seen anyone else say it. You are a jew hater. End of story. I mean it would be fine if you hated jews and didn't try to conceal it, but your half deception is annoying.

Honestly? I hate quebec. Wth are frenchies still doing in this hemisphere? I thought we kicked all frenchies out on account of lameness and your treatment of algeria?/sarcasm off

I swear give man thumbs, whats he do? Forge a blade and cut himself in @#&*ing two.

Whoever said Isreal was never an empire had the right answer now lock this hateful thread.

 

[Mott1]

You are a jew hater. End of story. I mean it would be fine if you hated jews and didn't try to conceal it, but your half deception is annoying.

That is a bold accusation.
I think you are being a bit rash in your judgement of Armed Maniac.
I see nothing conclusive in his posts that indicate anti-semitism or a dislike for Jews.
It is unreasonable to make that accusation just because he holds an unfavorable disposition towards Israel.
If anything he shows an aversion towards religion.

Consider the link below, quite a few posts in that thread demonstrate biased and bigoted statements leveled at Israel and Jews, but nothing that suggests anti-semitism.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=158974

 

[jlocke]

Without God everything is permissible! Why is it that children have to be taught that there is no creator God?

I think you mean: without laws everything is permissible. That's what laws do, permit and forbid. Maybe only "God's Laws" should be adhered to? Leviticus and Deuteronomy? The whole thing?

also, children do not and are not "taught that there is no creator God". That would be a violation of the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America. Just like it would be a violation for children to be taught that there is a god, actually, he is the Mormon God, and you have to follow the commands of Joseph Smith, revealed through the angel moroni, with the help of magic pebbles that helped him read the tablets in a bag. Or maybe they should be taught that only if you have a circumscision and don't eat pork or shellfish, can you go to heaven. Or maybe they would teach children that cows were holy. Actually, they can! You can tell/teach your children whatever you want! You can make a (private) school teach whatever you want... you can teach your kids that God created the universe! You can teach them that there are 3, 6, or four hundred and twenty Gods! But you can't teach other people's children that at a PUBLIC school

If you would like to, I recommend changing
1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America


Have a blessed, blessed day,

 

[Armed_Maniac]

That is a bold accusation.
I think you are being a bit rash in your judgement of Armed Maniac.
I see nothing conclusive in his posts that indicate anti-semitism or a dislike for Jews.
It is unreasonable to make that accusation just because he holds an unfavorable disposition towards Israel.
If anything he shows an aversion towards religion.

Consider the link below, quite a few posts in that thread demonstrate biased and bigoted statements leveled at Israel and Jews, but nothing that suggests anti-semitism.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=158974

Indeed. I somewhat dislike religion. However, what i truly dislike, is monotheism. Okay, you have your beliefs, good for you, we all do. But when people try to impose their will on others, then i get annoyed. I'm atheist in a way: I simply don't give a ****. If there is a God, he will juge me for how I led my life, not which god I chose to worship. Who's to say christians, jews, and muslims have their theories of life after death any better than hindus and bouddhists? I actually hold bouddhism in high estime (I know too little on hindouism to tell anything), for their focus on themselves rather than a supernatural being.

Jews, got nothing against them. People that think they are superior due to their religion, I do not like. I have nothing against judaism, but people like Xineoph preaching the 'good' and 'great' about it certainly gives it a bad face (though I force myself not to generalise because of the few).

I must admit I do have an unfavorable position to them though. Well, to be more precise, to the rich one. However, please don't take this as anti-semetism, i simply dislike capitalists as a whole.

As for Isreal, no, I do not reconise it's right to exist. Had they obtained their own independance, sure, but it having been given by the Brittish, and seing the ammount of help it receives from western nations and comparing their state and comparing it to neighbouring contries, it just aint right.

Honestly? I hate quebec. Wth are frenchies still doing in this hemisphere? I thought we kicked all frenchies out on account of lameness and your treatment of algeria?

And you are saying i'm anti-semite? Give me a break you ****ing racist. I'm going to assume you're american... Yet i'm also going to assume you see England and the USA as two different people. Now what the **** do we have to do with what the french did in Algeria? And before speaking of the crimes of other states, think of the crimes your own state did on the natives.

"kick all us frenchies out"??? They did that in Newfoundland. In Manitoba, they decided to simply assimilate them, though they did kick the french natives out. In Québec, they simply couldn't. With a 95% french population, they couldn't. They tried assimilation again and again but it always failed.

Now saying "Wth are frenchies still doing in this hemisphere?" just shows you are a ****** not worth replying to, but the number of idiots in america is too big to ignore...

Wanted my views? Got them. Wathever... my 2 cents...

 

[Tulkas12]

And you are saying i'm anti-semite? Give me a break you ****ing racist. I'm going to assume you're american... Yet i'm also going to assume you see England and the USA as two different people. Now what the **** do we have to do with what the french did in Algeria? And before speaking of the crimes of other states, think of the crimes your own state did on the natives.

"kick all us frenchies out"??? They did that in Newfoundland. In Manitoba, they decided to simply assimilate them, though they did kick the french natives out. In Québec, they simply couldn't. With a 95% french population, they couldn't. They tried assimilation again and again but it always failed.

Now saying "Wth are frenchies still doing in this hemisphere?" just shows you are a ****** not worth replying to, but the number of idiots in america is too big to ignore...

Wanted my views? Got them. Wathever... my 2 cents...

First I really love how you cut the "/sarcasm off" part of my post out of your quote. You should work for the media.

Second, yea we butchered and commited genocide on the native americans. It was ugly as ugly gets no way around it. I have no exucse for it except we were practicing the same forms of Imperialism that all of our Europen ancestors are guilty of, for that I geuss I apologize. Obviously the US is the most evil state that mankind has ever seen.

Finally, my point was that your point of view is bigoted, slanted, hateful. If your hatred of religion blinds you to the point of arrogant synicism so be it. You should at least acknowledge it. I acknowledge my dislike toward any modern socialist liberal thinking (imo a beauracracy as a father/mother) but I'm not a racist in the conventional thinking, well not more than anyone else is when they look into their hearts.

Personally I always love a good modern socialist liberal, they anger so easily, exposing the hypocrosy in their hearts. (generalization)

/rant off, leave me alone.

 

[Armed_Maniac]

I did take the "/sarcasm" out, but seeing as how you were reffering Québec to France in such a way, I did not really see the difference.

And you think I'm proud of modern Québec? Hardly. I'm disgusted by it. I'm disgusted by it's relation with Canada. And if Charest gets re-elected with all the **** he did, I'll be disgusted by the people as a whole.

I have an "arrogant synicism" view of religion? Sure, I'll agree to that. Whenever I read an article written by a religious person, it almost always involves imposing religion on others, be it atheists or people of other religions. And then saying we should teach creationism in school instead of the theory of evolution? Please!

I have no exucse for it except we were practicing the same forms of Imperialism that all of our Europen ancestors are guilty of, for that I geuss I apologize. Obviously the US is the most evil state that mankind has ever seen.

The most evil mankind has ever seen? No. Maybe in that logic it's the 'most evil' (I really dispise the word 'evil' though) modern state, but not really the worse mankind has seen. I could easely say, as my personal point of vue, that England as a whole was worse. However I doubt it is the worse.

Rant or not, Sarcasm or not, I say what pleases me anyways.

*cough* *cough*

 

[Tulkas12]

Lol, my PM was before your post #328, fyi. I had to take note of your cough link though. Its good stuff and any good US citizen knows what we are doing even if its 10 years later. I do not agree with the extent that some have gone for capitalistic aims. I fear socialism far more though.

 

[CarterField]

Sure, we are all human therefore we all contain a human conscience. Even the infamous players such as Bin Laden, Hitler, and Stalin have the same ethics as you or I.
However it is our individual choice whether or not to follow our ethics.



Actually with or without God everything is permissible.
Remember,God gave of us free will.



I do not believe humans are born with an inherent knowledge of a greater power/creator.

Ethics again?!!? See Plato's Republic re: No One Does Wrong Willingly. Pleasure, disguised by good sensations, often leads us astray. Those that dwell in black and white worlds bind themselves to past misjudgements.

 

[Armed_Maniac]

Lol, my PM was before your post #328, fyi. I had to take note of your cough link though. Its good stuff and any good US citizen knows what we are doing even if its 10 years later. I do not agree with the extent that some have gone for capitalistic aims. I fear socialism far more though.

I do not fear communism, though I do fear so-called 'communist' leaders... Only time will tell...

It was, really? Meh, I didn't check the time on it... didn't really occur to me...

And for the link... the numbers seem a little low... probably doesn't include deaths resulting from weakened goverments...

 

[picardathon]

Armed Maniac, that link was insane
I'm just a high school freshman, and they don't teach that in schools, period.
I sort of think that the fact that some guy thought that Israel should be in the game led to a Plato vs. Aristotle debate on the importance of religion in human society is rather funny

 

[Armed_Maniac]

Armed Maniac, that link was insane
I'm just a high school freshman, and they don't teach that in schools, period.
I sort of think that the fact that some guy thought that Israel should be in the game led to a Plato vs. Aristotle debate on the importance of religion in human society is rather funny

They don't, but some are advocating for it. Well, I know they teach it in some private school... I thought some states had it in their curriculum, though apparently not (though one state voted on the rejection of non-creation theories for science class in 1999, but i'm going to assume it did not pass)

 

[wongasta]

isreal didnt withstand the time long enough to be a civilization, but on the other hand, Hebrew culture do...

anyway, it can be one of the lost civilizations, which would be kool

 

[picardathon]

Well, the Armenian Genocide is going into the history books, so thats a start
and by language was a bit severe, I meant that that wasn't in any of the history books that I have read during my education.

 

[Azmodai]

Edited: nm apparantly the new civs have been announced.