No Whales?

[Earl of Pembroke]

First time reporting a bug, forgive me if this has already been posted recently, but has anyone else noticed that the whales are not generating in games started recently (since maybe after the Gaul patch?). My last three games haven't had any whales anywhere on the board, at first I thought it was just an oddity, but now I think it's a real bug.
I'm not playing with any mods.

 

[cain3456]

[1.0.7.9]. Confirmed.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

It would be helpful to know what map type and size you're running. Whales are a Luxury Resource. The number of Sea Luxuries that spawn in any particular game are very much dependent on the size and type of map. Just now I ran 10 games on Small & Standard sizes with five different map types ranging from Continents to Island Plates. Whales spawned on seven of the generated maps so I'd say this is not a bug unless you can provide more information regarding your game setup.

 

[cain3456]

small, fractal. Ended up being a de facto pangaea.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

small, fractal. Ended up being a de facto pangaea.

I just ran three Small Fractal maps and Whales spawned on two of the three so I'm fairly certain map generation is functioning properly.

 

[Earl of Pembroke]

@Laurana Kanan I've only played on all continents maps, huge and large sizes.

 

[Laurana Kanan]

I've only played on all continents maps, huge and large sizes.

Don't know what to tell you, it works perfectly fine for me. I rolled three large Continents and one huge Continents maps. I had whales on two of the three large maps and on the huge map.

 

[cain3456]

Don't know what to tell you, it works perfectly fine for me. I rolled three large Continents and one huge Continents maps. I had whales on two of the three large maps and on the huge map.

OK, I just dug up a HUGE Island Plates map I played when heroes first came out. Check out the following screenshots:
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....595/29668C9E0CFD7981322A8C591318D14EFA8D9F50/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....708/479DE6406906E31B8FF64FBFF2EE61DEE45E10D6/

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd....285/FE423ABA622B990B8E9A63DF03F8E9FA4AC4BAAE/

So please stop telling us there's not an issue, because there's an issue.

 

[Browd]

Screenshots are pretty much useless. If you want the FXS devs to replicate this and get to the bottom on what's going on, at a minimum you need to post save files.

 

[cain3456]

Here you are, then.
Mods in use: Religions Expanded & Tomatekh's Historical Religions

 

[Laurana Kanan]

@cain3456 I'm confused. You said you played small Fractal maps (which I tested and were working fine), and then post images from a huge Island Plates map. I don't know if you are expecting Whales to spawn on every map, but that's not how land and sea luxuries work. Any uniquely generated map with random resource spawning, may or may not have a particular resource appear. That's just how the map scripts work.

So please stop telling us there's not an issue, because there's an issue.

There may be an issue with your game setup, but that doesn't indicate a bug with the game itself.

I just now rolled four separate maps using your map criteria - Huge Island Plates. Three of the four maps had Whales. Iirc, Island Plates uses MapArgument 3, which limits Sea Luxuries to 3 per map on Huge. There are four possible Sea Luxuries - Pearls, Turtles, Amber, & Whales. So on every map generated with that criteria there'll be one random Sea Luxury missing.

My advice is to verify the integrity of your game files via Steam and then roll a few maps w/o any mods to check. Otherwise, I'll continue to say that map generation appears to be working correctly because I've provided multiple examples it is, and you haven't proven otherwise (other than anecdotally).