Not all Slavs are Russian, you know?

[Domen]

Russians are the most numerous Slavic group, followed by Poles (2nd) and Ukrainians (3rd). Ukraine has more people than Poland (even though Ukraine's population is declining), but it has much more numerous minorities than Poland, and there are much more Poles outside of Poland than Ukrainians outside of Ukraine.

Russia has numerous non-Russian minorities. But on the other hand, there are also Russians outside of Russia - Kazakhstan, Ukraine, etc.

There are also Russian-Americans, but not even nearly as many as Polish-Americans - who are by far the most numerous group of Slavic-Americans.

 

[Domen]

As you quite clearly argue: The only way Slavs would unite in a Federation is if they were forced to by a Russian general.

That makes perfect historical sense.

Ever heard of Pan-Slavism movement ???

And historically not only Russians were capable of uniting Slavs. For example Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians (historically known as Litvins) and western groups of Russians were united within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Polish-Lithuanian Jagiellonian dynasty during a certain historical period reigned over Czechs, Slovaks, Lusatian Sorbs, Croats and northern groups of Serbs (apart from already mentioned Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians).

Then in the Balkans, there was Bulgarian Empire, Serbian Empire and Yugoslavia. All three were also multi-ethnic states, uniting local Slavs.

So I expect Non-Russians to be also represented. For example, what about some Space Battleships of "Winged Hussar" Type ???

 

[Domen]

Panslavism is about uniting all Slavs under Russian yoke and trying to assimilate them to Russian culture.

You don't know anything about Pan-Slavism, it seems.

During the First Pan-Slavic Congress (Prague, June 1848) Russian representatives were not even present...

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Same goes for the Panasian cooperative. It will likely be a Chinese-dominated faction that likes to be called "Panasian" on paper, because it makes it look like it gives a place to other Asian cultures....

Japan and India (if India is included in this cooperative) seem to be rather serious competition for China.

In the past, more often Japan dominated over China than China over Japan (see the war of 1894 - 1895 and the occupation of China in 1937 - 1945).

 

[0R4NG3]

I agree with the OP that it would be nice to have Panslavia with a non-Russian leader (but not excluding Russia), or make general Kozlov speak Russian with Ukrainian accent or Ukrainian, would be pretty hilarious.

As for the rest of OPs ramblings, they are at least debatable and at most uneducated. Ignoring the religious context (Eastern Christianity) and calling Russians Asians is, well, way too stereotypical, which is something I thought OP wanted to avoid. And his point about Ukraine is ridiculous considering that all Ukrainian oligarchs are against the separatist movement and in fact one of them just became the president of Ukraine...

 

[Domen]

and calling Russians Asians is well way too stereotypical

Here I agree, they have more of European cultural elements than Asian. And also they were not always ruled by "generals" and "tzars".

What about the Novgorod Republic, ruled by a council of merchants?

Can't we have a Slavic Federation ruled by someone who is not a general? Historically you can find all kinds of political systems and governments in various Slavic states. From monarchy and dictatorship through noble democracy (Poland) and merchant republics (Dubrovnik, Novgorod, etc.), oligarchy (modern Ukraine ), communism, to modern republics and modern democracies, etc., etc. You also have many religions among Slavic people - from Orthodox Christianity, through Catholicism, Protestantism and Islam (Bosnia). Not to mention large Jewish communities historically residing in Poland and Russia.

Czechs were the first nation in Europe to become Protestants (the Hussite movement) and now they are among the most Atheist nations.

Slavic Federation can be a culturally diverse and interesting faction. But something has to be the unifying factor - maybe "Slavic Esperanto" language?

Language is what connects Slavic nations more than anything else. Because culturally they are very diverse. Compare Czechs to Bosniaks.

Bosniaks are Muslim (Sunni Islam):


Link to video.

Due to these Muslim Bosniaks, apart from "Winged Hussar" Battleship, Slavic Federation must get some Jihad-style weapon.

And don't forget about Czech Hussites / Taborites and Ukrainian Cossacks. You can give them "Hussite" Nuclear Robots, etc.

 

[Civ'ed]

Japan and India (if India is included in this cooperative) seem to be rather serious competition for China.

India isn't included in the cooperative due to the Protectorate, but I believe Japan's been mentioned as being part of the PAC.

 

[GeoModder]

Can't we have a Slavic Federation ruled by someone who is not a general?

What makes you think the Slavic Federation is ruled by a general? It's not because the expedition leader to an exoplanet is one, the Federation has a military junta at the top.

 

[SamBC]

Can't we have a Slavic Federation ruled by someone who is not a general?

From what's been released, the Slavic Federation isn't ruled by a general; a general was chosen to lead one of their colonial expeditions.

 

[Domen]

LOL, so not a single general, but entire military junta - a huuuuge difference...

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Being ruled by a military junta would not work in real life for a federation like this.

Federation like this ruled by a military junta would quickly collapse - disintegrated from inside.

Rules of terror against majority of population could help it survive for some time, but eventually it would collapse.

 

[Lord Shadow]

The full territorial extent of any and all factions hasn't been confirmed. It's all speculation beyond what the faction names directly imply.

• And we already know the PAC is not entirely Pan-Asian, given portions of Asia are controlled by the Kavithan Protectorate (at least part of India), Polystralia (part of Southeast Asia) and likely the Slavic Federation. Korea and Japan could be part of the PAC, but could not as well. For all we know, the PAC could stretch from chunks of China, through Indochina to Myanmar and that's it.
• We don't know the extent of Franco-Iberia beyond France, Spain and Portugal (or at least major chunks of them).
• We don't know the extent of Brazilia beyond chunks of Brazil.
• We don't know the extent of the ARC beyond chunks of the US.
• We don't know the extent of the Slavic Federation beyond the fact it contains some parts of some Slavic countries.
• We don't know the extent of Polystralia beyond chunks of Australia and the Polynesian region.
• We don't know the extent of the Kavithan Protectorate beyond perhaps chunks of India.
• We don't know the extent of the People's African Union beyond some indeterminate chunk of Africa.

I place an emphasis on chunks because modern political borders could've changed a lot by the time of CivBE.


PS: The Slavic Federation could be ruled by an Orthodox Patriarch, for all we know. The only certainty is that a general leads the colonial expedition.

 

[Stigmatus]

wrong thread

 

[Stigmatus]

Being ruled by a military junta would not work in real life for a federation like this.

Federation like this ruled by a military junta would quickly collapse - disintegrated from inside.

Rules of terror against majority of population could help it survive for some time, but eventually it would collapse.

We are not talking about real life, we are talking about a game. And if you want to talk about faction names, and how federations should be, please remember that full name for North Korea is Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

 

[GeoModder]

LOL, so not a single general, but entire military junta -

LOLZ - like one general would have a better chance.

Again, nothing indicates there isn't a civilian government in charge of the Federation. If you fail to grasp that, your loss.

Slavic Federation IS ruled by the general. Itdoesn't matter if he is just an expedition leader - when you have generals in charge and militaristic bonuses that leaves not much space for democracy and stuff.

Again, what makes you think so? It's like saying the British Empire was ruled by the military because it was a captain Cook that commanded the ship exploring the south pacific.

 

[Lord Shadow]

It's not uncommon for space missions, especially potentially dangerous ones, to be commanded by military men. Nor is it necessarily a reflection of their country's government type.

 

[SamBC]

I'm not sure where people are getting a military junta from...

 

[Stigmatus]

Again, what makes you think so? It's like saying the British Empire was ruled by the military because it was a captain Cook that commanded the ship exploring the south pacific.

I was replying to another thread but no matter. It's not about who was in command, it's about who will be in command. All links with the Earth are broken and the general is in charge. Plus, SF is a faction with Mil bonuses. That two rarely come along with peaceful or scientific faction.

It's not uncommon for space missions, especially potentially dangerous ones, to be commanded by military men. Nor is it necessarily a reflection of their country's government type.

Yes, but not a one-way expeditions, where that very general will be a leader of a faction.

 

[GeoModder]

I'm not sure where people are getting a military junta from...

Probably because I made the link from general = part of a junta.

I was replying to another thread but no matter. It's not about who was in command, it's about who will be in command. All links with the Earth are broken and the general is in charge. Plus, SF is a faction with Mil bonuses. That two rarely come along with peaceful or scientific faction.

Kozlov's expedition, once it makes Planetfall, won't likely call itself the 'Slavic Federation' anymore, nor will it be part of this nation back on Earth. So there you have a point it could become a purely military affair once the colony starts.
It is possible we haven't seen all stats on Kozlov's expedition, so no way to tell for sure. Sofar it's a military and satellite modifier only. But to say the Slavic Federation has no scientific tendencies whatsoever is a bit rich. After all, they're one of only eight entities capable of mounting an interstellar expedition as far as we know.

 

[0R4NG3]

Here I agree, they have more of European cultural elements than Asian. And also they were not always ruled by "generals" and "tzars".

What about the Novgorod Republic, ruled by a council of merchants?

Can't we have a Slavic Federation ruled by someone who is not a general? Historically you can find all kinds of political systems and governments in various Slavic states. From monarchy and dictatorship through noble democracy (Poland) and merchant republics (Dubrovnik, Novgorod, etc.), oligarchy (modern Ukraine ), communism, to modern republics and modern democracies, etc., etc. You also have many religions among Slavic people - from Orthodox Christianity, through Catholicism, Protestantism and Islam (Bosnia). Not to mention large Jewish communities historically residing in Poland and Russia.

Czechs were the first nation in Europe to become Protestants (the Hussite movement) and now they are among the most Atheist nations.

Slavic Federation can be a culturally diverse and interesting faction. But something has to be the unifying factor - maybe "Slavic Esperanto" language?

Language is what connects Slavic nations more than anything else. Because culturally they are very diverse. Compare Czechs to Bosniaks.

Bosniaks are Muslim (Sunni Islam):

Good points, agree with all of them. Slavic Esperanto would be quite fun, would love it if devs made an attempt to come up with their version of it, but it's definitely too much to ask for.

Thanks for the Bosniak video, of all Slavic nations I find Bosniaks the hardest to comprehend, Muslim Slavs?? Just shows that everything's possible.

 

[Krik_IDDQD]

Good points, agree with all of them. Slavic Esperanto would be quite fun, would love it if devs made an attempt to come up with their version of it, but it's definitely too much to ask for.

Everything has been invented before us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovianski

Bosniaks are Muslim (Sunni Islam):


Link to video.

SERBIA STRONG! REMOVE KEBAB FROM PREMISES!

Link to video.

 

[0R4NG3]

Everything has been invented before us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovianski

Nice one, cheers for that!
Pretty recent actually - 2006.
So yeah could use this as the official language of the Slavic Federation