Nuclear . . . Winter?

[PCHighway]

Im positive Someone has experienced this Phenomenon, Besides me. But As chances are, most of you haven’t I’ll exercise my typing Ability's and give 'er a whirl.
So there I was, Ghandi, in the 1920's. I was well into the Modern era, Just-made peace with the Zulu, Americans and less recently the Russians. I was Big, So big in fact, I was bigger then their Islands Combined. Then out of nowhere Russia Launches 2 Nuclear ICBM's Straight at me! Taking out some of my bigger cities! More over, The Americans and Zulu (who had both had Military Alliances against me with Russia) Declared War on Russia.

I, Driven by revenge, launched Nukes back at them. They desolated Russia, by next turn. (It would be wise to say this is a mod, self made, and with ICBM's having Lethal Bombardment)
I quickly went there and practically walked in Russia's cities. But I hated America, The sniveling fools where the only Challenge to My World Domination. In addition I had made lots of ICBM's in fear of not being able to conquer Russia's Cities, So, I foolishly launched them all on America. . .

20 years, and 10 ICBM's, Later Most of America was gone, and I was eying the helpless Zulu, When Out of nowhere what I call Nuclear Desert struck, I must have burned up the atmosphere with all those nukes! every turn something along the line of 18 "Grassland turned to plains!" Messages popped up. With the occasional "Plains turned to Desert!" Or "Tundra turned to Grassland!" (I figure that I launched 18 nukes, hence 18 squares) Soon My civ was Starving And Rioting everywhere, Plus a blotted red sun was to the right of the unit commands. Has this happened to anyone else?

 

[Furry Spatula]

When you launch your ICBM's you have polution, if you do not clean up this pollution the greenhouse effect proceeds, causing everything to eventually turn to deserts. This happens the same if you just dont clean up pollution.

 

[Lt. 'Killer' M.]

the absurd thing is that they give us Nuclear Summer

 

[docceh]

I went out of my way to cause Nuclear Winter

Nuked everything I could possible nuke!

Was not a pretty planet, but hey, my spaceship got away

 

[Mad Bomber]

Exactly how many Nukes did you use, I can safely say that I have used over 20 in a period of 100 years with minimal effect. Were they all ICBM or did you use tacticals too?

 

[Carver]

Originally posted by Mad Bomber
Exactly how many Nukes did you use, I can safely say that I have used over 20 in a period of 100 years with minimal effect. Were they all ICBM or did you use tacticals too?

If your nuking was spaced out, and the pollution cleaned up, that would cut down alot on the dying tiles.

 

[Carver]

Originally posted by PCHighway
every turn something along the line of 18 "Grassland turned to plains!" Messages popped up. With the occasional "Plains turned to Desert!" Or "Tundra turned to Grassland!" (I figure that I launched 18 nukes, hence 18 squares

Oh that's nothing. In one game I was getting sixty (60) dying tile messages. IIRC, the recipients of my nuclear fury were the Russians and Germans. I had used something like 50-60 nukes and let most of the pollution be. I didn't play the game for very long after the planet started buring so there was some green left, but alot of the green had turned brown. Kind of reminded me of Mars.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I voted "no" because I'ven't seen a proper Nuclear Winter, but I have seen Global Warming, caused by both industrial pollution and nuclear war.

 

[Bamspeedy]

When you launch your ICBM's you have polution, if you do not clean up this pollution the greenhouse effect proceeds, causing everything to eventually turn to deserts. This happens the same if you just dont clean up pollution.

Global warming is not determined by how much pollution is not cleaned up. It is determined by how many pollution icons are being added to the world each turn. Pollution/global warming is easy to figure out as it uses the total number of pollution icons each city has (from hospitals and factories). The total number of pollution icons is probably put into some formula where obviously the more pollution icons in the world, the higher of a chance global warming will hit.

In one game where I was using the worker dog-piling exploit, my city had 4000+ pollution icons (over 4,000 citizens with no mass transit). That was the only city in the entire world with a hospital or factory. All the citizens in that city was either a specialists, or was working a water tile. If they aren't working land, you will never get pollution. So there was no pollution to clean up, but I was having 30-50 tiles change from global warming every turn, and the sun turned red. As soon as I got mass transit, I only had 1 pollution icon, the sun instantly turned back to yellow, and I only had 1-2 tiles change every few turns (huge map).

I don't know how many pollution icons a nuke(s) would add, but quite a bit....

 

[Cartouche Bee]

Originally posted by Bamspeedy


As soon as I got mass transit, I only had 1 pollution icon, the sun instantly turned back to yellow, and I only had 1-2 tiles change every few turns (huge map).

This kind of shows that the system has a memory with regards to previously produced pollution. If you only have had one pollution icon and never produced huge amounts of pollution in the past then you would not have 1-2 tiles changing due to global warming. I used this in the current GOTM to keep my loss of tiles down to only about 4 tiles lost all game even with a very high population.

I believe that pollution that is not cleaned up does effect global warming by adding additional pollution to the pollution total of each turn that it is not cleaned up. These prolonged effects may change how any game type nuclear winters are produced and why sometimes you cannot reverse the effects.

CB.

 

[PCHighway]

Bamspeedybut I was having 30-50 tiles change from global warming every turn, and the sun turned red.

50? Hmmmm? Perhaps a new city improvement could be recognized, forget a recycling plant your in need of Government regulated Epa offices All though, I am sure the ICBM firefight had much to do with it. For indeed before then any Global Warming was a spectacular event, I almost thought it A good thing, For I looked at it as a tribute to civ iii's quest for Reality. After 10 turns and patches of Desert all over, I throughly hated it.