OCC culture question

[lbhhh]

I was playing an OCC game when I noticed that in the victory screen, there was a difference between the cultural value of my city and my civ as a whole, which shouldn't happen since this is a one city civ. Has anyone else noticed this/have an explanation for it?

Thanks


BTW my city was producing 85 culture per turn so its not caused by a 1 turn delay between city and total culture calculation

 

[lbhhh]

Screen shot of Constantinople:

 

[Ville]

It's got something to do with anarchy
2050th post[dance] mandatory retirement ahead j/k

 

[lbhhh]

Originally posted by Ville
It's got something to do with anarchy
2050th post[dance] mandatory retirement ahead j/k

Do you mean your civ accumulates culture during anarchy but not the city istself? If so then that would explain it.


Thanks

 

[Ville]

I think it was like that
2051st Post: Retirement

 

[lbhhh]

Originally posted by Ville
I think it was like that
2051st Post: Retirement

Thanks again, enjoy your retirement

 

[Ville]

Thanks (I'm not leaving anytime soon though)

 

[mrtn]

Did you sell any culture-producing building?

 

[Bleser]

Pardon my stupidity, but what is an OCC game? Is it a normal Epic game where you are limited to one city only? Sounds interesting!

 

[Ville]

OCC is a game where you can have only 1 city. There's a variant so that you can keep cities you capture but it's not OCC then

 

[lbhhh]

Originally posted by Ville
OCC is a game where you can have only 1 city. There's a variant so that you can keep cities you capture but it's not OCC then

That's right. The screenshots are from my first OCC game. I tried on Monarch and was in the tech lead the whole time, and won by 1922. Next time I'm trying on Emperor. Only negative aspect is that you get a real lousy score since you have a minuscule territory and population.

 

[stivomali]

Originally posted by lbhhh


Do you mean your civ accumulates culture during anarchy but not the city istself? If so then that would explain it.


Thanks

I don't think this is true. In my last game I noticed huge dips in my total culture in the histogram when I was switching governments.

My first guess was what mrtn was alluding to: that you sold a cultural building that at the time had accumulated culture equal to the difference in the scores. If you look at the cultural advisor you can see that each improvement has its own cultural value. Add them up to get the total culture for that city. Your whole civ cultural rating is the total number of culture points you've created throughout history, whether or not any buildings (or even whole cities) have been lost or destroyed.

In case you didn't sell anything, this difference could also occur if an enemy bombard destroyed a building and you rebuilt it.

 

[stivomali]

Actually, I see my last reply is in error. The difference between your two scores is 73, which is a prime number. This cannot be the accumulated culture of a temple, library, etc. over x number of turns. The only improvements that produce one cpt (divisible into 73) are your palace and several of the military small wonders. Is it possible there's a bug where the culture from one of these small wonders goes to the civ total, but not the city total?

I would be interested to see if the cultural advisor screen shows any of your improvements that have accumulated exactly 73 points of culture. If it is a bug like I mentioned above, you should see the descrepancy between the two values increase by 1 each turn.

Oops, now that I think of it 73 could be a sum of two or more buildings' culture. So if you sold a library that had been producing culture for 11 turns and a temple that had been around 20 turns...

3*11 + 2*20 = 73

Ouch, my head hurts now.

 

[lbhhh]

Well I never sold or had any cultural building destroyed. I had also noticed the 73 number and had guessed that maybe my revolutions occured when some wonders/improvements doubled in cultural value( after 1000). But its just a guess. I'm afraid we don't have a better theory for now than the anarchy explanation. Maybe an anarchy expert( or anyone for that matter) has an opinion on the subject??

Thanks

 

[T-hawk]

I solved this problem a while back.

During anarchy, you do not get culture credited, of course.

But, on the last turn of anarchy - the turn on which you get the "Select your government" pop-up - you get the civ-wide national culture credited but not the culture for each city. The end result of this is a mismatch of one turn's worth of culture between the national figure and the sum of each of the city figures.

 

[lbhhh]

Great !

Thanks for resolving that, it was kind of bugging me.