How about the Aztecs and Mexico? The Aztecs (Byzantines) ruled there Empire unitl the Spanish (Turks) conquered Tenotchitlan (Constantinople). The result was Mexico (Ottoman Empire), who traces her roots back to the Aztec (Hellenistic) culture. You are right, Texas and Mexico are like Greece and Turkey. I was a fool to encourage the belief that these two nations are alike. However, Asia Minor and the Balkans c.1821 were ruled by one country and shared both Turkic and Hellenistic traditions. My proposal was/is to keep these two traditions in separate civilizations as it applies to the game (Hellenes, Turks), but to point out that the Ottoman Empire was not a complete displacement of Hellenistic Civilization. Afterall, the Byzantine Empire was revitalized in 1830, if only for a short period of time.