out dated units cant be built??

[Vietcong]

well this is a lil bothering

thear are some out dated units witch cant be built at some point in the game,
im not talking about early age units, i know u can still build chariot even if u have hourse archer.

but im talking about sam infantry and mariens.
the mech troops are strength 32
so if atacking a city from the coast line u get -50% *i think* so that means u only get 21 atack. mariens have 24 atack, so ur still beater off with mariens. i whould like to still build them later on in the game.

same thing about sam infanty, even tho thay only have 18 stength, thay have 40% chance to intercept air craft.
mechs only get 20% chance.

even sam is alot weaker then mech, i whould realy like to have the ability to keep building them. so thay can not only gaurd my citys, but allso gaurd my miens and resorces from air raids.


allso, how much can u stack the air craft interseption ability??

 

[Vietcong]

allso, shouldnt mech infantry suffer from the same disavantage as armor dose when fighting chopers?

 

[Samson]

What gets me is not being able to build machine guns when you get rocketry. They are a great counter to the all powerfull infantry.

allso, shouldnt mech infantry suffer from the same disavantage as armor dose when fighting chopers?

I can see some reason, mechanized infantry can get out of their APC when threataned.

 

[AndreasS]

I agree with you lads. Now they've finally found a use for the chariots. Why shall they make sam infantry and marines obsolete? The end game need those units. Make gunships and air units stronger vs mech. inf, make the sam infantry best fighting air targets, and make the marines best for special assaults such as landings... It makes much more sense...... and the end game would be alot better.

 

[Vietcong]

yea i know infantry can get out, and i unterstand one unit isnt realy just one, it may be a few hundred to a few thousand depending on the unit.
but thear is no real counter to mech infantry u have tanks... yea nm, u got tanks...

allso we need a more modren, but cheaper infantry.
for ex, what if thears no oil to build mech infantry, or any kind of tanks. or even air craft or jets for that matter??
we need some kinda cheap modren infantry on foot.. y not just add back a gurrila unit!?
and some rpg anti tank unit?


can some one plz tell me how to mod this in so i can still build the sam, mg, and marien once mech, infantry becomes avalable *and rocekts for mgs*

 

[Samson]

can some one plz tell me how to mod this in so i can still build the sam, mg, and marien once mech, infantry becomes avalable *and rocekts for mgs*

I think what you need to do is stop them upgrading to the other unit, or give them another very late game unit to also upgrade to (perhaps future tech 20 or something?).

 

[Vietcong]

grr never mooded in this civ 4 befor, i chould mod civ 3 so easly, i miss the way civ 3 was moded.

 

[MookieNJ]

I know they've fixed at least part of this issue in Warlords -- you can still build Marines throughout the end of the game. I don't remember about SAM Infantry one way or the other off the top of my head.

 

[DigitalBoy]

yea i know infantry can get out, and i unterstand one unit isnt realy just one, it may be a few hundred to a few thousand depending on the unit.
but thear is no real counter to mech infantry u have tanks... yea nm, u got tanks...

Well, since marines and SAM infantry are rendered obsolete by mechanized infantry, you need mech infantry to be able to kill gunships.

 

[jimbob27]

Well, since marines and SAM infantry are rendered obsolete by mechanized infantry, you need mech infantry to be able to kill gunships.

What are you on about? Sam infantry get 100% vs gunships. They're better against gunships than mech-infantry, just as marines are better at attacking from sea. Mech infantry doen't render either obsolete when they're worse at certain tasks than the "obsolete" units.

 

[Gogf]

I know they've fixed at least part of this issue in Warlords -- you can still build Marines throughout the end of the game. I don't remember about SAM Infantry one way or the other off the top of my head.

They fixed SAM Infantry too.

 

[Vietcong]

yea, sam infantry get a total of 36 ( 18 pluss 100% vs hellies)
mech, get 32.
as said befor, when atacking from over rivers or from see, mech get -50%, so isnted of 32, thay only get 16.
and mariens get the full 24 stg