PBEM: RAF-Rise and Fall (with R&R mod)

Mendax

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Joined
Apr 5, 2002
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Location
Poland
STATUS: playing...:)
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GAME DATA:
name: Rise and Fall (RAF)
used rules: Rise and Rule v.1.00.11
Civ3 version: C3C v1.22
number of players: 4
level: Monarch
map: symmetrical small(80x80) pangea , prepared by LouLong (big :beer: for him!)
game settings: all victory conditions; no Sci Leaders; accelerated production enabled; Barbarians - Restless
turns frequency: 5-7 TAW (turns a week)
starting conditions: 3x Tribe, 2x Worker, 2x Warrior; 25 cash
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PLAYERS:
1. predesad { predesad AT yahoo DOT com } - Tibet - GMT-6
2. BkGreatWarnut - eliminated...
3. Platon { platonx AT wp DOT pl } - Carthage - GMT+1
4. Mendax { mendax AT civ DOT org DOT pl } - Aztecs - GMT+1
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Mendax
 
I can't stand playing in scenarios with stipulations that can't be controlled in pregame set up. Likewise, locked alliances provide for no diplomacy. Anyways, take away the locked alliances and no attack for first 25 turns I would be interested.
 
locked alliances provide for no diplomacy.
and that's the point! like i wrote, i wanna fast, military game where i can use my brain to strategic stuff, not diplomacy...

about that 25 turns w/o attacks...
take a look at the map! starting positions are almost near each other. promise you won't complain later, when someone wipes out your cities in 15th turn...

anyway, that were my propositions, but i can adjust my opinion to other players...

Mendax
 
I agree with BK, take away the locked alliances (played with them and now I hate them) and the 25 turns of peace andf I might be interested. Of course I also prefer NO AP!! But I could get over that faste than the locked alliances and 25 turns of guranteed peace. If I want 25 turns of peace at the beginning of a game I'll try to negotiate a peace ageement once contact has been established.
 
ok, no Locked Alliances and no peaceful 25 turns!
but this means i have to change the map; resources were place for teamplay...

if you don't like anything else - write!

i might change everything, except:
-symmetrical and even map: i started few times in a total jungle...
-AccProd: i don't want to play for years,
-R&R rules: i wanna try something new.

Mendax
 
There was a danger with the type of map / settings you had. If I played a game on that map I would play as Mongolia (are they available in RAR??) or whatever expansionist / militaristic civ was available but preferably not Zulu. I would send a scout right towards one of my neighbors, they are chole points plentiful and 25 turns of peace would mean you could do nothing about it. My second scout would go towars the other neighbor. Then I would build barrakcs and champions to fortify those choke points in anticipation of the peace deal expiring, but by the time it expired, those two neighbors might very well be helpless to do anything about my choke and their expansion might very well be crippled, especially if my allied partner had an expansionist civ and could do the same thing on the other side of each neighbor.

I would agree to play a symetrical map, but is there any chance of getting someone else to make it so we have no actual knowledge of the map when we start?
 
ok, i'll try to look for someone to start this game on an unknown for us, but symmetrical map...

and Mongols are in R&R...

now we need one more player...
BkGreatWarnut: are you going to play?

Mendax
 
Mendax said:
now we need one more player...
BkGreatWarnut: are you going to play?

I am already involved in one PBEM with the RAR mod, i will post in that thread to see if any of those guys wanna play in this one
 
Sure, I will play now... Um...go with AP because we want this to get moving.

BK
 
Umm... Darn Carthage is already taken... I will have to pick out another civ... GMT -5 I think...
 
i will take random civ, GMT -6, predesad AT yahoo DOT com, and i never posted that invitation in my other thread because it seems we have four players already
 
BkGreatWarnut: we would need your e-mail address and civ you pick up...

predesad: is your e-mail address predead or predesad AT...?

is this order ok for you, guys?
1. predesad
2. BkGreatWarnut
3. Platon; he's GMT+1, too
4. Mendax

Mendax
 
Mendax said:
predesad: is your e-mail address predead or predesad AT...?

is this order ok for you, guys?
1. predesad
2. BkGreatWarnut
3. Platon; he's GMT+1, too
4. Mendax

Mendax

my email is predesad AT... typing error in previous post, sorry

any luck on symmetrical map?
 
Having difficulties d/ling the mod...

I am in as long as I can get it to work...

EDIT:
If I get it to work... bmklee at svsu dot edu
Also, I would like to be the Byzantines...
 
ok, guys, i've just received message from LouLong. he wrote he had almost finished preparing the map for this game. right now he's left for few days and we'll receive it on sunday/monday.

Mendax
 
Need to edit my requested civ. I would like to play as Greece. That's all. Please remember to send out a planning phase e-mail to everyone. It should have the play order, civ, and e-mail address of all players.

Thanks,
BK
 
OK, I have sent the biq to Predesad. Hopefully no pb will occur !

But I wanted you to know a few things :

1/ the map is a pangea
2/ with a small landmass
3/ Very "strategic" (resources, chokepoints, canals, ...)
4/ Likely fast meetings but initial development not too fast.

Hope you will have fun.
 
Loulong was either unaware of some of the other changes or he neglected to make them. The starting bonuses were omitted, extra tribes, workers, warrior, & gold. I could make these other changes myself, however that would mean opening up the scenario and then the map would be on the screen. Whatever glimpse, no matter how little, I get of the map would be unfair, so I am emailing Loulong about the needed additions. I also have a concern that the map is set up for 8 players instead of 4 because I had the option of selecting 8 players at the set up screen, I wil ask him about that and simply have him delete some starting locations if that is so. I would also like to say I know Loulong is very busy right now so it might take some time for him to make the requested changes.

While I am posting, I would also like to inform the other players that Mendax has requested I set up the game, which means I have access to the map and could cheat and look at it if I wanted. Although I hope I am considered to be an honest player by others, if anyone has a concern about this please say so and I will decline and another method of set up will have to be pursued. I would also like to say I will NOT be offended if anyone objects, but at the same time if noone does object then when I dominate the game please do not suddenly cry foul. At the conclusion of the game, I will provide the admin password to all players in case they would like to "review" the game to look for any "inconsistencies".
 
I know it defeats some of the purpose, but why don't we all recieve a copy of the map if it is a made up map? Also, that will allow Predesad to quickly edit something that is easily editted (the starting units & gold), thus saving Lou Long time...which he badly needs due to involvment in numerous PBEMs.
 
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