Power to the People Organization (PPO)

got me partially on this point, but on regular gatherings all decisions are voted on normally.
so there the president does not make any decission, he give the opportunities to the members to vote on.


could we redirect this to the discussion about giving all power to citizenry? it seems to better fit in there. or we will have to open a seperate discussion thread, as this should be a group-thread mainly not to be too much discussive.
 
Originally posted by Shaitan
I personally have absolutely zero desire to discuss and vote on every single aspect of the game.
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And I had no desire for our president to ignore polls he starts. Nor do I have any desire for our President to be able to veto anything he sees fit. Funny how life works like that :D
 
there arent enough people at the turn chat for that to work punkbass, as we can see currently.
 
Well, maybe they should show up. If you can't attend the meetings of your club, why are you in the club? Also, I've been thinking that maybe people should just realize that they simply may not have a say in all issues. Last night, I was unable to attend the turnchat. Do I complain that I had no say in what happened in last night's turn? No! I couldn't make it, and am fine with the decisions that were made, regardless of whether or not it was what I would have done. Life's like that.
 
Originally posted by punkbass2000
Well, maybe they should show up. If you can't attend the meetings of your club, why are you in the club?
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Self Destructive measure like that would only serve to reduce the number of participating citizens.
 
Originally posted by Immortal


Self Destructive measure like that would only serve to reduce the number of participating citizens.
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So? If you don't want to play, don't play. Many of the other suggested measures will lose citizens as well. I can't think of many suggestions so far that if implemented wouldn't cause me to leave, to be quite honest. If we abolish the turnchat, I'm gone. That is the game, as far as I'm concerned. Giving the president too much power would also cause me too leave. I was very annoyed when I discovered on Thursday that the spot poll for trading medicine had not been carried out. Polling every little decision would cause me too leave as well. Simply from boredom. Remove most of the constitution? Gone, even more chaotic than before. Remove the government? Gone, again, even more chaos.
 
Well, I didnt say to abolish the turnchat, so I don't know why your attacking me with that... The president would have NO (read NO) power, so I don't know why you brought that up. I was also upset that the medicine trade spot poll was not followed, he held the poll and it is binding. Remove and revamp the constitution, not simply remove it, we would take it, reshape it and condense it for easier to follow rules. Remove the government is propoganda some are using to hurt our cause, I don't want to remove the government, I want to make it a group that origanizes the citizens wishes (through polls) into a flexible and coherent whole.
 
Originally posted by Immortal
Well, I didnt say to abolish the turnchat, so I don't know why your attacking me with that... The president would have NO (read NO) power, so I don't know why you brought that up. I was also upset that the medicine trade spot poll was not followed, he held the poll and it is binding. Remove and revamp the constitution, not simply remove it, we would take it, reshape it and condense it for easier to follow rules. Remove the government is propoganda some are using to hurt our cause, I don't want to remove the government, I want to make it a group that origanizes the citizens wishes (through polls) into a flexible and coherent whole.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never referred to you at all. I was just talking generally about cures that are worse than the disease, so to speak.
 
Originally posted by Immortal


And I had no desire for our president to ignore polls he starts. Nor do I have any desire for our President to be able to veto anything he sees fit. Funny how life works like that :D
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Don't say that here!!! Are you crazy?!? This will turn into PI6 part 12.

Incidentally, the Presidential veto is only for changes to the constitution.
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
got me partially on this point, but on regular gatherings all decisions are voted on normally.
so there the president does not make any decission, he give the opportunities to the members to vote on.


could we redirect this to the discussion about giving all power to citizenry? it seems to better fit in there. or we will have to open a seperate discussion thread, as this should be a group-thread mainly not to be too much discussive.
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This is sort of all of it combined into one instead of the individual aspects of the proposed changes. I'd prefer a new thread over one dedicated to only one part of the discussion. If you lead, I shall follow.
 
/me looks around "hope nobody heard that!" I whisper
/me craws out of the window (its a joke) and toward compusmart, Im gone for the rest of the week getting a new computer. Hopefully this will all be resolved by next week.
 
@punkbass:
either you dont work or you are still at school or you live in usa. this is not a usa only game, so participating in the turn-chat is nearly impossible for about 30% of our citizens, as they live in a timezone where 23:59GMT is way out of scope for a chat (for example here it is 0:59 AM!). We could also start to vote for a european president who hold chats at 21:00 GMT, this will automatically throw our us citizens out of the game. So please dont be so rude unless you want to destroy the game.
 
Originally posted by disorganizer
@punkbass:
either you dont work or you are still at school or you live in usa. this is not a usa only game, so participating in the turn-chat is nearly impossible for about 30% of our citizens, as they live in a timezone where 23:59GMT is way out of scope for a chat (for example here it is 0:59 AM!). We could also start to vote for a european president who hold chats at 21:00 GMT, this will automatically throw our us citizens out of the game. So please dont be so rude unless you want to destroy the game.
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I am in school, but that's not relevant. I make time to attend the chats, much like I make time to visit the forums. If you work the night shift, do you join a bowling league where the games are at 8pm? No. If you can't attend, you can't attend. There is nothing that can be done. I have not seen a viable solution to the turnchat problem. I am sorry if that sounds harsh, but I cannot see a better solution. I personally do not see it as a huge problem if I can't attend. Up until recently, I missed most of the turnchats, and I did not feel the least bit left out of the game. The only thing I can think of is staggered turnchat times, ie. 24 GMT, then 6 GMT, then 12 GMT, then 18 GMT.
 
Sign me up! I think that the officials should be downgraded to advicers of the people instead of just removing many of them.

Another thought what shall we call this new government - what about the peoples' republic, and the leader to be know as the first citizen?

I think that at the next election time we should try for a revolution. We could do this by having the revolution option with a candidate (or more than one entery if allowed) then the people could vote for a 'Revolution Candidate' if they want a revolution (how many times have I written revolution?).
 
many times, phoenix.
the removal is not planned as removing the people but removing the governmental positions. if you read the corespoding thread then you will see that an organization like citizen-groups was proposed for the departments there.
 
I feel the same as Strider, and am hence unable to join your cause.
 
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