Pre-turn chat descisions for 490 BC

[donsig]

Turn chat should be tonight - in about 12 hours or so. It appears that neither the President or Vice-President will be there. Assuming we do have some one from the COC present I thought it would be nice to have a thread that summarizes the descisions already, as well as highlights those that will probably have to be made during turn chat.

Anyone can post here. I will try to keep the first post or two editied to reflect up to date info.

COC: Who will be present tonight for the turn chat?

Falcon02 - Deputy military leader

Should we whip a barracks in Philadelphia?: Yes, according to the poll posted by Grey Fox. That choice has a plurality of 9 votes.

City building queues: The governor's control city production. Our domestic leader has outlined the following for the cities he governs. (This info was gathered by various posts made by eyrei.):

Fox Next: barracks then spearmen
Eyr: spearmen, barracks, spearmen, spearmen
Khatovar: alternate settlers and spearmen (the latter to escort the former)

Shailonegha: warriors, warriors, warriors

PDX: warriors (immortals after iron is available here)

SKILORD is governor of the other 5 cities. Haven't seen his production plans. The military department has requested that immortals be produced in Pherris (once iron is ready) and spearmen in Civanatoria, though the latter could be deferred in favor of a library.

Military Objectives: See Colonel Falcon02's summary posted below.

new spearmen: What should be done with the new spearmen that will be built during this turn chat? (6 due in the next 3 turns - unless Eyr is switched over to library now.)

Where to build next city: I think we have a settler headed for the old NW territory. eyrei has stated he would like two cities in the NW. Houston currently obscures one of his chosen locations. The other is in the forest 2 tiles SW of the horse. this is where the next city should be built unless the cabinet over-rides the domestic leader's descision.

Governor of new cities: We currently have 10 cities. The domestic advisor (eyrei) is govenor of the first 5 and SKILORD has been elected governor of the second 5. The next city we build or capture will be in a new province. No governor has been named yet.

Peace treaties: I think there is support for making peace with some nations if we can secure a straight peace for peace deal. The trade department is opposed to paying anything for peace with either Egypt or America and has placed a limit of 10 gold/turn (total) for any other peace treaties. It has been requested that America be contacted to see what they will pay for peace.

Mayor's suggestions for their respective cities:

Fox Nest: we need incense in the capitol!

Khatovar: expand borders, reccomends library

PDX: permanently station damaged immortal in PDX

Shailonegha: needs a spearman for defense

 

[donsig]

The first item to resolve is the COC. There has been some talk about revamping the COC but as far as I can tell no cabinet action has been taken! There are two public polls on the issue. The constitution is actually ambiguous as to how to change the constitution. The following is from section D:

Point 3: Citizens can't hold polls on rule changes, or any matter of state (ie. covered by any department.) If a citizen would like a rule changed they may start a topic on the proposed rule. Once the discussion is complete a citizen may request a poll to be posted by the Moderator of a member of the Cabinet where the rule change would be voted on.

What is unclear to me is whether the vote on the rule change is to be made by the cabinet or citizens at large. While there has been no cabinet vote there has been a vote in a poll posted by a cabinet member so there are good arguments either way. The COC clause in the official constitution thread has not been updated.

Who expects to be present for turn chat tonight? It would be much better to figure out now who will play tonight rather than spend turn chat time deciding it!

 

[Falcon02]

I plan to be there

 

[donsig]

Colonel Falcon02 can you summarize the military department's objectives and reccomendations for the upcoming turn chat?

 

[Falcon02]

1.) Take Houston in the NE
2.) Take Washington
3.) request peace after Washington and Houston are taken. If they still insist they deserve the spoils we will continue the war, by taking Atlanta NW of Washington, and continue to request peace until suitable terms are achieved.
4.) increase efforts to create garrisons for the Southern and Eastern borders, (sending most of our new troops there)
5.) reestablish a connection to Iron in the "old empire" to continue Immortal production.
6.) maintain our American holdings by cultural and military means (building libary's and large garrisons.
7.) once we have established a good garrison on our Borders start an offensive in Egypt, taking the Lake cities while driving for the captial, and then ask for peace once capital is taken, simular conditions as America, no peace without good spoils.
8.) seek peace with other neighbors, and start preparing to take America and Egypt once the peace treaty has been in effect for 20+ turns.

 

[eyrei]

I think it would be safe to add the two missing departments to the COC for the time being, and leave it at that. I believe there was general agreement that deputies should be included, but this was never truly resolved. I also suggest that only enough turns are played to attack Washington and Houston, and then possible treaties with the Americans researched, so we can discuss and vote. I am guessing this will be about 4 turns.

Thanks for the summaries of my build queues Donsig. I should have read this thread first, as I stated them again in the other thread.

 

[donsig]

Colonel Falcon02:

Does the military department have any reccomendations for what should be garrisoned in each of our cities?

What about production queues for any new cities we capture? Since we are short of governors (both our governors now have 5 cities) perhaps any newly conquered cities should be placed under military rule temporarily...

One more thing: Does the military department anticipate needing any spearmen for it's offensive forces or will speamen only be used to garrison our cities and conquests?

 

[Falcon02]

Spearmen will primarily be used as Garrisons. Immortals are just as effective as spearmen, but more expensive with the exception of the proto-Immortals.
However, we will use Immortals alot for garrisons, esp. when preparing for new offensives.

I don't think we should put our new cities under military rule. I think we just need to develop a Geographical system.

At the moment my plan isn't specific to the point of planning out every single move and queries, but we should work on at least 2-3 spearmen in each border, and maybe 1-2 spearmen in inner cities.

 

[donsig]

You're providing the answers I was seeking Colonel Falcon02. No one expects actual moves to be planned out. Since you've stated that spearmen will not be a part of the offensive drives and we need 2-3 spear in the border cities and 1-2 in the others we should be better able to gauge how many spearmen we need to recruit.

I was not suggesting military rule on a long term basis for captured cities. The reason for the suggestion is this:

We have a settler about to build a new city in the NW. We are planning to capture Washington. Technically these cities will be part of our THIRD PROVINCE which will not have a governor. Someone has to fulfill the governor's role of overseeing production in the new cities...

 

[Falcon02]

okay Building Queries...

Shailonegha- Warriors, Warriors, Warriors

Eyr - Barracks then Spearmen, Spearmen, Spearmen

Fox's Nest - Same as Eyr

Pherris - Immortals

Khatovar - Eyrei has already set his plan.

 

[Falcon02]

I guess in time of war the governor Idea might be called for. (at least until we develop geographic providential borders) and after that any new cities captured not within those borders. But, my original thought was to just give the new ones to Eyrei or Skilord temp. until we can find a new governor (or once again get geographic distibution since the Constitution doesn't seem to limit it to ONLY 5 cities).

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by Falcon02
okay Building Queries...

Shailonegha- Warriors, Warriors, Warriors

Eyr - Barracks then Spearmen, Spearmen, Spearmen

Fox's Nest - Same as Eyr

Pherris - Immortals

Khatovar - Eyrei has already set his plan.

I would prefer we build a spearman in Eyr before the barracks, as Fox's Nest is poorly defended.

 

[donsig]

my original thought was to just give the new ones to Eyrei or Skilord temp. until we can find a new governor (or once again get geographic distibution since the Constitution doesn't seem to limit it to ONLY 5 cities).

First of all, the constitution is clear:

Section H:Gouvernor's:
point 1: A gouvernor control's and decide's over 5 city's.
point 2: The Domestic leader is also the gouvernor over the first 5 city's. (the core city's)

Second, your original idea is fine. I only brought up the subject in the hopes of resolving any questions that might arise during turn chat time. What to build in our conquered cities and how to build there (i.e., whipping) has become a sensitive issue.

I'm not so concerned with what descision is made but that one be made ahead of time so it doesn't have to be hashed out during turn chat.

I can see this province thing getting out of hand quick esp. if we absorb all of America and start taking cities from Egypt!

 

[donsig]

Colonel Falcon02:

What about PDX and Civinatoria?

Also, eyrei's long range plans for Eyr were to switch to a library and then temple in that city once the barracks in Fox Nest was complete. eyrei has also designated Eyr for military production though. Would appreciate the military deptartment's views on this. Can we afford (from a military standpoint) to switch Eyr now or should we continue recruiting spearmen there?

 

[Falcon02]

I agree with what Eyrei said about Eyr, spearman, then barracks, then spearmen galore.

PDX - Immortals (once we get the connections back up, until then Warriors to be upgraded)

Civinatoria - Spearmen (but I understand the need for cultural development there, so maybe have a Libary first)

 

[donsig]

SLIKORD: would you take a look at the current build queues for your cities and and rubber stamp them or list your specific changes? Thanks.

 

[eyrei]

Originally posted by donsig
Colonel Falcon02:

What about PDX and Civinatoria?

Also, eyrei's long range plans for Eyr were to switch to a library and then temple in that city once the barracks in Fox Nest was complete. eyrei has also designated Eyr for military production though. Would appreciate the military deptartment's views on this. Can we afford (from a military standpoint) to switch Eyr now or should we continue recruiting spearmen there?

Sorry, I actually meant to have one of the mods delete that post, as it became obsolet shortly after I wrote it. Those are my plans once our borders are secure. Eyr is set to produce for the military until further notice.

 

[donsig]

I hope this thread helps streamline the beginning of the turn chat tonight. There is alot of info summarized here.

I'll try tobe at the turn chat but I'm at home tonight and my computer here is much slower than the one I have at work.