Provincal Borders

[FionnMcCumhall]

I as governor of Bohemia think we should take the last poll on borders and toss it out. The citizens cannot be serious they want a governor to govern one city. It makes and renders a governor uselss especially during the times we may actually build a wonder in that city. i would beleive that if this is the case the only person who would run for such a position would end up being one lazy person, not to mention its a waste of posting time to post a queue for one city.

 

[eyrei]

I would agree to a repoll now that this issue surely must be clear to everyone. However, we would need a poll to have a repoll... Just kidding. I think whether this is a viable option must be left in the hands of the judiciary. There is certainly no rush to get these borders defined, so we should do everything we can to make sure we get it right. Basically, I don't see how a repoll could hurt...

 

[Cyc]

OOoooohhhh Maaaannn! Thanks Fionn. I was just about to volunteer for that position.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I think that most of our citizens are pretty intelligent people, and for some reason they chose to have the home province be a single city, and yes, all of these points were brought up in the discussion thread and the polling thread.

I think that it is highly inappropriate to ignore the poll results...in fact, that would trigger a PI. Unfortunately the judiciary can't do a lot to help here.

This was a valid poll that a majority of citizens endorsed. We keep trying to ignore that simple overriding fact, but we can't do that. I don't see any legal way to allow ignoring of those properly expressed wishes.

However, I see nothing that prevents us from redefining the borders again though, and don't see why that process could not begin immediately. That is my best recommendation for action.

This is just my opinion though, and if someone requests a judicial review, my vote is but one of three, and i have appointed donsig as Pro Tem JA, so you may well be able to get a response you like better from my colleagues.

I know it is frustrating, but these facts were on the table for all to see for a long, long time, and I just cannot endorse throwing out a valid poll because some didn't like the results. I hope you all can see what a horrible precedent that would set.

Bill
Chief Justice

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

maybe intead of upholding the laws sometimes, you can make new law just like the US Supreme Court. Id say quit being safe but im thinking weve been safe and now its time ti make new law instead of resting on our laurels. and on a personally note i think the citizens just voted because they wanted this issue over with without thinking of what may happen to leaders that would be affected by this decision

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

Perhaps it is time for new laws here, I encourage us to change them.

But it is not appropriate for the judiciary to make new laws, that is the right of the people, not the court, and that is very clear in our constitution.

OT: Actually the USSC does not make new laws at all, but when they correct the mistakes of courts below them, that sometimes causes a different interpretation of the law itself, or an elimination of parts of a law, without adding to the law.

If the citizens simply voted to get the issue overwith, then I think that is sad, but I don't see any evidence of that, and a quorum was reached, the issue was decided, and it is not our right to know why a citizen voted the way they did.

Lets stay focused on the bigger picture. A properly discussed issue, and we all know it was discussed to death, was put to a vote, a quorum was reached, and the a choice was made by the people.

I am still missing the argument here that would justify overruling our constitution. This was a valid vote, and the people have spoken.

What justification is there for ignoring the will of the people?

Bill
Chief Justice

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

you know what i give up, nothing short of redoing this poll is gonna change a thing. ill take my exile and thank the fine citizens of fanatika for that, im elected governor only to be really elected back out. Nothing i say or can do about it obviously so thank you citizens. Its a complete waste of my time and anyones time to govern one city. Id resign but it wont sove a damned thing, id quit the demogame but it wont reslove a damned thing. But i thank the citizens for wasteing my talents as goveror by voting for the capitol province.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I am tired of being the bad guy on this issue.

I have offered several solutions in this thread and the others, if no one wants to take responsibility to do so, then so be it.

Is everyone really blind to the fact that a valid poll was passed here by the citizens?

What if we start going back on every poll that passes? Screw the majority, I don't like the results....

At that point, there is no game, no rules, no borders, no governors, no nothing.

If that is the will of the people, then so be it, but I haven't seen it yet.

Fionn, your skills are better suited to governing more cities, and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the majority of people who voted didn't take into account how this will effect you at all. They just wanted their borders defined a certain way. and were not looking to personally insult you.

I recommend, again, that you simply work out a deal with Shaitan for a province that you feel better suits your sense of ability.

Bill
Chief Justice

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

i take it as an insult, a big one, and im not making you out to be the bad guy either. And yes i think this is one opf those times you say **** the majority. If the citizens knew i could govern more than one city why vote for the prpososal anyways. Thats all im saying. Another point why should i work out a deal to govern a new province. I was elected to govern the province of Bohemia. i don't like being put to a one-city exile but ill accept it. And i should get first pick before anybody else is appointed. And we take the capitol province and make it a district. Another point, since im staying on as bohemias governor i suggest that if it stays a province that the goveror of the one-ciy province id the de facto head of the senate and has two votes in the senate

 

[Plexus]

I just don't see why Bohemia's capital has to be Bavaria... Why not Morgana or Vallhalla or Penguin for that matter. The one city province does not have to be Bohemia!

 

[disorganizer]

@fionn:
why? you were offered enough alternatives you could choose. did you contact shaitan for a switch-of-seat?
and btw: you know which proposals were up when you were voted for governorship. and the now chosen proposal was in the front on every single poll

nobody prevents us from working around the issue (imho, the proposal was good in term1, but is implemented far too late now).

and btw:
why not just appoint the domestic deputy as governor of the capitol province?
as the domestic department as i recap governs all <3 cities, why need bavaria BE a province at all? it could be completely governed by domestic department and not take part in the senate.
you, fion, seem a bit bullheaded on that issue to me. maybe you should become a bit more flexible.

and as said: the one city province doesnt even have to be a province, as provinces according to our rules start with 3! cities.

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

what is needed is a new poll on borders incorporating the new cities as well as the old ones. And new proposals without that silly capitol province idea. it was nice back then but its atiquated now.
@dis do you expect me not to be bullheaded. of all the issues ive participated in ive only been bullheaded with 2. Reforming the rpg which worked sorta and this one. It wont kill us to do this one more time and this time with up to date maps and nno capitol province issue, As for making the domestic deputy run the city procince of bohemia if this stays id STILL be running unless you all forget im the domestic deputy as well. Ill say it again i shouldnt have to resign just so i can get a bigger province

 

[disorganizer]

well, you maybe got the "resignment" wrong... it is just the official workaround... according to the rules.

you can of course directly talk to shaitan and have him reassign you to another province before(!) you "officially step back" from you obsolete governor-position. same for donsig, as he could have applied for the job and still have his judical seat UNTIL he gets appointed.

i also dont know where people got the idea from that they have to resign BEFORE they can apply for the job.

 

[disorganizer]

btw:
i request one of those 2 threads to be closed. i hate discussions being spread between 2 threads... its so disgusting...

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

it shouldnt be that way dis. im starting to miss the hardliner dis

 

[disorganizer]

well, it shouldnt but it is.
we can learn and start rulechanges, but for NOW we have to live with our rules.

so what we can do it "bend" them with workarounds until we change them
and thats exactly my proposal... i will have a short look at the ruleset later to put quotes in my proposal.

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

i want a new poll, and as a citizen i demand my statisfaction according to the 3 books

 

[disorganizer]

nevertheless there must then be a official provincial discussion, poll-proposal, poll, quorum etc.

btw:
how high is the quorum this term?

 

[FionnMcCumhall]

18

 

[disorganizer]

so only 36 people voted in the elecitons? what a shame!