question about science.

[el_kalkylus]

You need 10 science beakers to research the first advance, then you need 20, then you need 33. What is the structure? I want to know exactly how many beakers I need for next advance instead of changing the tax-rate all the time. That takes so long.

Anyone knows?

P.s. Do you get any bonus to establish a trade route with the AI's? It seems that you always get more money (and science) from the AI cities. I know that war halfs the bonuses.

 

[jc011]

well, about the bonus, i just figured this out yesterday :crazyeyes
my science was 3 turns a tech, then after a while it dropped to 7 and 8 turns a tech. Then i sent a freight to a city and it boosted it up to 3 turns again. From what i see, it is better if you keep sending freights to keep your science high.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

"You need 10 science beakers to research the first advance, then you need 20, then you need 33. What is the structure? I want to know exactly how many beakers I need for next advance instead of changing the tax-rate all the time. That takes so long."

Why do you need to reset your science rate all the time? I always set my science for max (or lower if I need money or the luxury level for We Love the President Days).

"Then i sent a freight to a city and it boosted it up to 3 turns again. From what i see, it is better if you keep sending freights to keep your science high."

When you cash in your freight at that AI city, you'll add a no of beakers to your existing research. How many will depend on a myriad of factors - distance, on different continents?, type of commodity etc.

Starlifter has written a lot of thesis on it prev (or on almost anything to do with civ2). Search for it. He'll give you the full works - incl all the maths, the logarithm behind it, results of his experimentations etc. He hasn't been around for a couple of days otherwise he'll write you another long post incl links to all his prev posts.

 

[el_kalkylus]

Originally posted by SKM
Why do you need to reset your science rate all the time? I always set my science for max (or lower if I need money or the luxury level for We Love the President Days).

That is just a trick to see how many science beakers you need for the advance, but it takes a long time. I usually set the science to max too.

well, about the bonus, i just figured this out yesterday
my science was 3 turns a tech, then after a while it dropped to 7 and 8 turns a tech. Then i sent a freight to a city and it boosted it up to 3 turns again. From what i see, it is better if you keep sending freights to keep your science high.

The amount of gold you get from your caravan/freight is the amount of science beakers you get to add to your existing research. There is a good link about exactly what to do to get the highest amount of gold/beakers. It doesn't say about trading with AI cities though, but it seems that you get ALOT more money trading with the AI's, and I am curious to know how much.

Here is the link: http://coc.apolyton.net/guides/trade_payoff.shtml

 

[Andu Indorin]

The best analysis on this topic can be found here: The Cost of Research Explained

 

[el_kalkylus]

Thanks Andu Indorin, that really explains a lot!

There is just one small detail I didn't understand. He talked about a key-civ. Does he mean the civilization most behind in science, or the first civ you meet? Or something else?

Thanks.

 

[Andu Indorin]

Samson's findings on the Cost of Research were based on his earlier work on The Key to Tech Gifting. Between these two tour de forces, his findings have cast a sharper focus on the entire issue of Beaker Numbers.

Samson's work on scientific research stands out as an examplar of research devoted to the players of Sid Meyer's Civilization; as such, they are exceptional additions to Apolyton's Great Library. I mention this only because there are a few other gems in that collection worthy of reading; but, as always, it takes some digging to find them. ...

(Edit: correcting link)