GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
I like Shai's Proposal 
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Quick Chats?
- Thread starter Bill_in_PDX
- Start date
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
The changes need to be posted here in their official proposed format, then we can ask the three wise men in the Judiciary to review for constitutionality, while pressing forward to get approvals.
FortyJ
Deity
I think Shaitain's proposal is exactly what we're looking for. It also provides the DP with increased flexibility to carry out the instructions from the leaders and possibly even allow the turn chats to commence on time instead of after an hour or more of preturn.
It's nice to see a proposed law change that might actually make it easier for us all.
It's nice to see a proposed law change that might actually make it easier for us all.
Cyc
Looking for the door...
The change and the supporting text look good to me also.
Shaitan
der Besucher
CON-K
Current: Game actions will be played out during a public turn chat.
New: Game turns will be played out during a public turn chat.
COL-B-1 (Game Play Restriction)
Current: It is unlawful to play through actions, move troops, make deals or take any other action that would change the state of the playing game from that of the saved game.
New: It is unlawful for any player except the President to play through actions, move troops, make deals or take any other action that would change the state of the playing game from that of the saved game.
COL-B-2 (Game Play Restriction)
Current: none
New: Turn zero instructions that have been posted in the chat instruction thread may be carried out by the President at any time, at his/her discretion. If any actions are taken, a new save will be uploaded and linked in the chat instruction thread and the President will post a description of what actions have been done.
COS-B-3 (Turn Chat Instruction Thread, Post Organization)
Current: Game actions will be played out during a public turn chat.
New: Game turns will be played out during a public turn chat.
COL-B-1 (Game Play Restriction)
Current: It is unlawful to play through actions, move troops, make deals or take any other action that would change the state of the playing game from that of the saved game.
New: It is unlawful for any player except the President to play through actions, move troops, make deals or take any other action that would change the state of the playing game from that of the saved game.
COL-B-2 (Game Play Restriction)
Current: none
New: Turn zero instructions that have been posted in the chat instruction thread may be carried out by the President at any time, at his/her discretion. If any actions are taken, a new save will be uploaded and linked in the chat instruction thread and the President will post a description of what actions have been done.
COS-B-3 (Turn Chat Instruction Thread, Post Organization)
Code:
Current:
C: Following Posts:
1. Chat turn instructions from the officials,
one post per department and province
D: Next Post
1. Used for uploading the intermittent saves during the chat.
E: Last Posts
New:
C: Following Posts:
[i]1. Chat turn instructions from the officials.
2. Uploads of turn 0 and/or intermittent game saves.
D: [/i]Last PostsFortyJ
Deity
I would like to recommend that, pending approval of these proposals by the Judiciary, that we do not poll these items individually as adoption of one of these changes may cause problems if all are not adopted.
Shaitan
der Besucher
When they run in polls, the COL and CON changes will be noted to become official only upon approval of the related changes. The COS change won't be allowed to hold up the others as it's just a clarifier.
donsig
Low level intermediary
When we are changing the constitution itself in the manner suggested, we do not need the approval of the judiciary. As for changes to the CoL and CoS, they are made in ways different than amending the constitution and of course could not be constitutional until after the constitution is changed. I think we are better off taking this one step at a time:
Make the change to the constitution then make any needed changes to the CoL and CoS. Sure, the needed changes can be worked out now but we should be able to go ahead (once we are in term 5) with an official amendment poll. Then, won't that still have to be approved by the Senate once it passes citizen approval? Let's get that out of the away then worry about the CoL and CoS.
Make the change to the constitution then make any needed changes to the CoL and CoS. Sure, the needed changes can be worked out now but we should be able to go ahead (once we are in term 5) with an official amendment poll. Then, won't that still have to be approved by the Senate once it passes citizen approval? Let's get that out of the away then worry about the CoL and CoS.
Shaitan
der Besucher
The Judiciary does need to review it, even though it would be a rubber stamp in this case. The CON change is actually fine all by itself. The use of the edited article won't be there until the COL change is made but you're right that there's no problem in putting up the CON change first.
One problem - We will not be able to put through the CON change until there are enough seats filled in the Senate to pass it.
One problem - We will not be able to put through the CON change until there are enough seats filled in the Senate to pass it.
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
Is there not time to pass it now? Well, I guess not, given the 24 hour posting requirement, unless everyone voted quite quickly tomorrow evening.
FortyJ
Deity
Good point Donsig. I guess I was just expecting them to review the proposed changes to see if they would create a conflict with a different section of the Constitution if passed....
Also, as far as the senatorial requirements for these changes, I'm sure that either Octavian or myself will be anxious to fill those vacancies as quickly as possible.
Also, as far as the senatorial requirements for these changes, I'm sure that either Octavian or myself will be anxious to fill those vacancies as quickly as possible.
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
I like the proposed changes.
And now, I'm out of something to say.
And now, I'm out of something to say.
