Ratification Poll: Constitution Articles I thru M

[DaveShack]

This is the ratification poll for the Constitution, Articles I thru M. A majority of votes cast in the affirmative will signify these articles are ratified. Amendments to these articles may be proposed and passed using a majority until such time as the constitution in its entirety has been ratified, at which time the rules regarding ratification of amendments (if any) take effect.

Please vote yes to ratify (accept) these articles as written, no to reject them, or abstain if you wish to record your indifference to this decision. A majority is defined as (YES > NO) AND (YES >= NO + ABSTAIN). For example, yes=15, no=14, abstain=1 -> the articles are ratified. yes=15, no=15 -> ratification fails.

This poll will remain open for 7 days, and the option to see all the votes is enabled to ensure that we can tell later whether people voting in the poll were actually intending to become citizens. If there is significant disagreement with the poll being open, I will ask the moderators to delete it and I'll repost it as closed.

Note: the question in the poll was mistated as articles I thru L, it should have said I thru M.

The text to be ratified:

Article I.  Census, and Amending the Constitution
              1.  The census shall be defined as the average number 
                  of votes cast, dropping fractions, in each of the
                  contested elections in the most recent general 
                  election.
              2.  Ratification of Amendments to the Constitution 
                  shall require each of the following:
                a.  A poll which is open for at least 48 hours, which 
                    states the text of the proposed new section(s), 
                    the text of the section(s) being replaced, and 
                    posing the question in the form of yes / no / 
                    abstain.
                b.  A majority of yes votes.
                c.  A number of yes votes greater than or equal to 
                    2/3 the census current at the start of voting on 
                    the amendment, dropping any fraction therein.

Article J.  Elected officials must plan and act according to the will 
            of the people.

Article K.  All irreversible game actions must progress during a 
            public turnchat, while reversible game actions(ie build 
            queues) that adhere to legal instruction can be prepared 
            offline.

Article L.  The constitution, laws and standards of Fanatika can never 
            be contrary to the rules and regulations of the 
            Civfanatics forums. Moderators may veto any such 
            constitutional amendments, laws or standards.

Article M.  Commission of any game action by any person other than 
            the Designated Player while carrying out their duties 
            that is not instantly reversible without reloading the 
            save is strictly forbidden.
              1.  Exception: Determining options in the renegotiation 
                  of Peace agreements requires an action of acceptance 
                  or war to exit the bargain screen. This may be done 
                  but the game must be immediately closed without 
                  saving.

 

[ravensfire]

NO

Again, no discussion on this topic. Note that during DG4 a loophole in one of these sections was found. Some proposals corrected this, others did not.

There was no discussion on these specific items prior to this poll. As a citizen, I am OUTRAGED at this behavior. Even if there is apparent consensus, a simple discussion - "Hey, does this look good" should have been held. Now, because of this short-sighted, hasty decision, if we do find a problem, it's gonna be a pain to correct.

At least pay lip service to the citizens.

-- Ravensfire

 

[donsig]

Voting no here. Don't like the census. Perhaps ravensfire is right and discussion is in order.

 

[Sarevok]

I have a few problems with it, and said above there was no discussion.

I vote No

 

[truckingpete]

Abstain....

 

[DaveShack]

Sorry, didn't realize that y'all wouldn't like using the general discussions thread as "the" discussion thread. It looked like there was no serious problem with any of these items.

 

[TimBentley]

I disagree with having a majority of yes votes that is greater than or equal to 2/3 of the census. If there is a majority of yes votes, but less than 2/3 of the people who voted in elections voted yes, that suggests something really wrong with people's voting.

 

[burning_phoneix]

I'll abstain until the more expereinced players have a discussion and decide what is best.

 

[Cyc]

Article I.2.a needs to be changed to "96 hours" instead of "48 hours". This is the Demogame, not an Eddie Murphy movie! People need more time than 48 hours to approve or deny a change to the Constitution. This section should also state that a discussion thread will be opened in the Citizen's Forum and remain open until discussion dies down (at least 48 hours ), and then the proposed poll posted in that very discussion thread for at least 24 hours.

I also believe you should have had a quick discussion on these Articles before posting a poll.