Recycling Pollutes!

[Swedishguy]

I CivIV Recycling-centers reduces unhealthiness by eliminating of unhealth in other buildings. One question: how? I mean, sure recycling plants recycles important stuff BUT it does pollute. We could either change it to make room for realism, or ignore it to maintain gameplay?

Realism or Gameplay?

 

[TylerDurdon]

I CivIV Recycling-centers reduces unhealthiness by eliminating of unhealth in other buildings. One question: how? I mean, sure recycling plants recycles important stuff BUT it does pollute. We could either change it to make room for realism, or ignore it to maintain gameplay?

Realism or Gameplay?

Realism does not always makes good gameplay!!!! I vote for gameplay and the &?%@ with realism... reality is boring anyway

 

[Swedishguy]

Realism does not always makes good gameplay!!!! I vote for gameplay and the &?%@ with realism... reality is boring anyway

Did I say anything about that? No. I agree with you, realism doesn't always give good gameplay.

 

[Yaype]

Recycling does create pollution (and I have heard the argument that it creates enough pollution that it offsets the positive effects), but it is also supposed to reduce the amount of waste we produce. By reusing our trash, landfills fill up less quickly. Also, we slow down the pace at which natural resources are used--this doesn't in itself inhibit pollution, but it does make our limited resources last a bit longer.

In conclusion, having a recycling plant reduce pollution isn't exactly a far fetched concept.

 

[Birdmanthepuny]

Recycling does create pollution (and I have heard the argument that it creates enough pollution that it offsets the positive effects), but it is also supposed to reduce the amount of waste we produce. By reusing our trash, landfills fill up less quickly. Also, we slow down the pace at which natural resources are used--this doesn't in itself inhibit pollution, but it does make our limited resources last a bit longer.

In conclusion, having a recycling plant reduce pollution isn't exactly a far fetched concept.

I agree. It doesn't say it "eliminates" polution, just reduces it. It can also be viewed as a national mindset where the population is more educated on ways to reduce waste, thus reducing pollution.

 

[Swedishguy]

I agree. It doesn't say it "eliminates" polution, just reduces it. It can also be viewed as a national mindset where the population is more educated on ways to reduce waste, thus reducing pollution.

No, your wrong. Recycling plants creates pollution and sometimes, not always it is bad for nature. Besides, landfilling is both cheap and good for the environment. You can have a golfcourse on one.

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

What Birdmanthepuny means, is the Recycling Center improvement may not necessarily represent a recycling facility, but the recycling initiatives taken by the population, like cleaning out and re-using ZipLoc bags, and donating used footwear to charity. Little things that reduce the quantity of garbage produced.

It is fascinating that you should describe landfills as environmentally beneficial. Yes, you can put a golf course on the site, but only after capping the mountain of garbage. Besides, since golf courses conflict with the natural landscape, it could be argued that golf courses are environmentally damaging.

The only feasable reason for the continued existance of landfills is because they're so cheap. The hills of waste never seem to shrink, and by the time workers may move the trash to another site, damaging chemicals will have already seeped into the underlying soil, making it unfit for habitation for many years. It is for this reason that alternative methods for waste management are researched. True, recycling plants do pollute, but at least they don't scar the planet.

 

[Swedishguy]

What Birdmanthepuny means, is the Recycling Center improvement may not necessarily represent a recycling facility, but the recycling initiatives taken by the population, like cleaning out and re-using ZipLoc bags, and donating used footwear to charity. Little things that reduce the quantity of garbage produced.

It is fascinating that you should describe landfills as environmentally beneficial. Yes, you can put a golf course on the site, but only after capping the mountain of garbage. Besides, since golf courses conflict with the natural landscape, it could be argued that golf courses are environmentally damaging.

The only feasable reason for the continued existance of landfills is because they're so cheap. The hills of waste never seem to shrink, and by the time workers may move the trash to another site, damaging chemicals will have already seeped into the underlying soil, making it unfit for habitation for many years. It is for this reason that alternative methods for waste management are researched. True, recycling plants do pollute, but at least they don't scar the planet.

Good things with landfilling:
1: Cheap, as you pointed out.
2: Produce Electricity by harnessing metan.
3: You can have Forests, Jungles, whatnot.

Any questions?

 

[automator]

Is this a discussion about Civ? Or about reality? Because Civ is a game, and if recycling center didn't get rid of unhealthiness from buildings, what would you have it do? Just build it for fun, but no actual purpose?

 

[Englor]

No, your wrong. Recycling plants creates pollution and sometimes, not always it is bad for nature. Besides, landfilling is both cheap and good for the environment. You can have a golfcourse on one.

Hrm, ok dude, landfill probably is cheap, however it is in no way "good" for the environment. I don't what caused you to say that. It is real good for expanding upon man-made stablizied terrain and that's about it.

Landfill, though possibly containing certain nutrients that make it back to feed soils or other indegents of the sight where dropped, also bares a very relevent HAZARD element. Not to mention the stench alone just may possibly not the swing of the local life, form just a bout every side of the spectrum. I lived in Secaucus NJ for fifteen years. I know full well how uninteresting and annoying landfill is. Hudson county is a mass of lanfill and filth.

 

[Swedishguy]

Times change, Englor. With advanced technology of today, Landfilling is not hazardous AT ALL. I regret that I said that is beneficial for nature, cuz' it's not. BUT it is better than Recycling plants so stop comment me folks'.

 

[Englor]

Understood and point-direct. I meant not to aggrevate you and apologize for doing so. I think it best to tell you I do not attach myself emotionally towards critical conversation as I do not desire getting them entanlged. I am not saying that you do, I'm merely stating perceptive thoughts that occure.
Recylcing plant s indeed could use a bit of upgrading in the world. This is yet another subject under an area of study which also intrigues me. Though in the sense of the game, I've considered the idea of recyling plants reduing, not eliminating waste, that is both generated by improvements and population. Even more so that transit improvments may stem the pollution form populatio a bit, it does not eliminate pollution and it does slightly increase waste.

I propse that other things posted previously by me be incorperated into the game.
Things like piping, plumbing and sewer systems. Again these things do not eliminate waste, though they have standing impacts upon the factor, and when aligned with able routes of city management, can acutally eliminate the occurence of waste, as also alignable with civic enstatements. Plus one of the specialists I suggested to be added in was he healer. A specialist who bares an impact on health and waste factors of a city.
That's my idea.

 

[Swedishguy]

Ah, a soul that doesn't Mow me down.

 

[Englor]

Ah, a soul that doesn't Mow me down.

I'm quite sure I don't follow.

 

[Swedishguy]

No? It's just that I try to be honest and tell people how things are. Gratitude? No.

 

[Englor]

No? It's just that I try to be honest and tell people how things are. Gratitude? No.

OK I think I might try and intercede here for a second.
If you are communicating a recognized pattern in your life of attempting to dictate finalized concepts based on your own perceptions of anything is a bit flawed. Even I came to understand this. I'd ask you your age and gender though it's not a demand and you probably won't tell me, though I sense some relation there.
Put simply, how things are pertaining to you, are how things are for and to you. Everyone differs and various, as well relates along these lines of living progression in their own shades. That is my response to your proffesed disatisfaction along with my sympathy that is is unsettling. But cheer up, we're members in a forum of a great game. Agreed?

 

[Swedishguy]

All right, I got a bit overexcited there, I agree.

 

[Swedishguy]

Looking back all these years, I can't help but despair over my lameness.

 

[Stolen Rutters]

Gameplay, with a touch of realism. Realism is too concerned with net effect and unstable interaction for me to have to deal with, when I play a game, so it only gets a nod, and not a full effect treatment.

 

[PimpyMicPimp]

Times change, Englor. With advanced technology of today, Landfilling is not hazardous AT ALL.

Huh. I bet your administration doesn't believe in global warming, does it?