Religious demands!

[Azash]

Here's an interesting screenie concerning religious differences!

 

[Slax]

What are you talking about?

 

[Jake5555555]

Caesar is demanding that the player give up their religion, showing that religion will feature into diplomacy.

 

[Goblin Fanatic]

I hope forcing a religion on someone will have it's benefits.
Right Pope, either bow down to the Patriarch of Constantinopole or we'll Kataphrakt your a**

 

[Azash]

Right Pope, either bow down to the Patriarch of Constantinopole or we'll Cataphract your a**

Quote of the Year, hands down

 

[Darwin420]

@Goblin Fanatic: LMAO... can I put that in my sig?

 

[Azash]

Darwin & Goblin: How about:

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[QUOTE="Goblin Fanatic]Right Pope, either bow down to the Patriarch of Constantinopole or we'll Cataphract your a**[/QUOTE]
Put this in your sig to support Civ4!
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Meaning the section between the lines is put into the sig.

 

[The_Architect]

Askiung a civ to change a religion - that's so damn unrealistic. What are they making - civilization of mars!!!

 

[Ivan the Kulak]

Well, it's not without precedent. The Spanish converted the Aztecs to Catholicism at swordpoint - I guess they figured the Aztecs would work harder in the mines if they thought they'd get a reward for it in the afterlife.
There was plenty of forced converting in Europe too - "Eee eee, that dang pope won't recognize my marriage, so you're all Anglicans now, and you better like it!" To say nothing of the Islamic conquests...

The problem I see here is that having the Romans be Confucianists, or the Aztecs be Jews, is that it is very jarring, from a traditional standpoint... religion is a product of culture, and the very thought processes and history of a society determine its nature. I can't imagine a conquest based society like Rome embracing a thoughtful, introspective religion. How are they going to worship the war gods like this? It just doesn't feel right. Thus, I make my case for generic, perhaps player-chosen names for religions.

 

[toh6wy]

Well, it's not without precedent. The Spanish converted the Aztecs to Catholicism at swordpoint - I guess they figured the Aztecs would work harder in the mines if they thought they'd get a reward for it in the afterlife.
There was plenty of forced converting in Europe too - "Eee eee, that dang pope won't recognize my marriage, so you're all Anglicans now, and you better like it!" To say nothing of the Islamic conquests...

The problem I see here is that having the Romans be Confucianists, or the Aztecs be Jews, is that it is very jarring, from a traditional standpoint... religion is a product of culture, and the very thought processes and history of a society determine its nature. I can't imagine a conquest based society like Rome embracing a thoughtful, introspective religion. How are they going to worship the war gods like this? It just doesn't feel right. Thus, I make my case for generic, perhaps player-chosen names for religions.

It's kinda always been like that with civ traits and UU's and the surrounding terrain. The Mongols could start on a small island with mostly jungle and swamp - would they create the mountain and hill-going Keshiks in a place like this? Of course not, but they still do as long as they have the resources. Also, would Shaka and his Impis have dark skin if they lived in the arctic?

 

[Emperor Martyn]

Also, would Shaka and his Impis have dark skin if they lived in the arctic?

Well sort of. Look at Eskimos.

 

[Sickman]

religion is a product of culture, and the very thought processes and history of a society determine its nature. I can't imagine a conquest based society like Rome embracing a thoughtful, introspective religion. How are they going to worship the war gods like this? It just doesn't feel right. Thus, I make my case for generic, perhaps player-chosen names for religions.

Agree there 100%
Religions are products of certain cultural background, they give things to each other and then culture becomes product of religion.

But how you could see Americans to be communists as you could do in earlier games?

Political/economical systems are also related to the culture and to the religion.

I would suggest that certain civs have trend to choose certain religions over another just like it was with fixed government types in earlier versions. Same principle should go into civicks too.

 

[spankey]

There is quite a bit of precedent for diplomatic change of state religion. King Jagiello (sp?) of Lithuania converted his nation to Catholism as a condition of marriage to Polish Royalty. Several Scanadavian countries also adopted Christianity in exchange for political consideration. Several princes in southeast asia (notably Brunei) offered to convert to islam if the Ottoman empire would provide protection for their principalities from the Europeans. I'm sure there are many others but these are off my head.