Sorry, but I'm against making any political statements to the quotes we have in the mod, neither in one direction nor the other. This will fire up a political discussion nobody wants here.
Not making a political statement is also a political statement. The status quo is also a political statement. The quotes are also a political statement. And the story told and game design is also a political statement in some way or another.
(rest of my reply is not directed to anyone in particular)
If people is fine with that, ok.
But let's stop the fallacy of "no political statements" when it really means
"I'm ok with the current political statements, I prefer not to touch those topics". Just say that.
About the quotes, some people here have a conception of players which doesn't resemble their reality.
Not all people is a native English speaker, so things like irony are not so easy to understand. A quote without context/explanation is a clear political statement (in the wrong way). And apart from "politics", it would be much clearer for non-English players if quotes and texts come with some kind of context/explanation. I have the feeling that people automatically assume other players are like them, with the same political context, knowledge of history, etc. and that's plain wrong. If you are ok with it, fine; but let's not repeat again and again that every player is fine with the current political statements, that everyone knows what's behind, etc. that's simply not true. And if every time someone points to it, we are told to change the topic because "no one" wants to discuss politics here... then that's just maintaining the status quo. There is politics there, just the one you agree/are comfortable with, so it's easy for you to change the topic
About the design, I disagree with some of the replies about "punishing" players. The entire game is built around a punish/reward dynamic (that's what gamification is all about). Again another falacy. Some people here are simply stating they don't like "free" player punishment, while they clearly love player punishment/rewarding at another features. The problem is not the design, is the topic itself (punishing slavery or better said, showing the other face of slavery). Some people just prefer to left it as is (again the status quo), even if they don't agree with the storytelling behind it. XD That's kind of weird
Although I agree it's always easier to ignore something.
Anyway, my words remain. Slavery the way it has been designed is just a "math problem" (clearly balanced for rewarding the player) (*).
Without political quotes, quests and storytelling, slavery is not only misrepresented, but also not historically accurate (since not everybody was ok with it) and doesn't show the other face slavery. Slavery may be economically a reward, but then it should also show the player the human cost. Either by storytelling, alternative strategies, lowering cultural/bells production, unhappiness events related to slavery abolitionism, etc. The storytelling could even allow a nation to adopt an attitude in favor/against slavery (changing relationship with other nations). I mean, the entire game is built around the WOI against the king because the king is oppressing the colony... that's ok to show (?). I see no difference for slavery.
And before people start saying that some of those changes could produce non-real/historic situations (like England being against slavery)... well, then let's remove all the map scripts and scenarios not related to America's colonization, or disallow Spain taking an English Founding Father XD (so please, let's not use the "historical sim." argument only against specific features while it's fine for others).
(*) And this is clearly reflected on the posts asking about why slaves have bonuses for some professions and not for others. People just expect slaves being general manual labor, because well... that's the way the game reflects slavery. Not giving X bonus to "avoid exploits" is just a patch to the underlying problem (treating slaves like any other unit for manual labor without more profound game implications than just some random revolt). There is no reason for players to not use slaves everywhere XD, so that's why the limit is there.
The slave overseer production bonus seems to apply to the food production but not the fruit/furs production of slaves picking fruit and hunting game. I do not know if this is intensional.
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The slave overseer production bonus seems to apply to the food production but not the fruit/furs production of slaves picking fruit and hunting game. I do not know if this is intensional.
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This is mainly supposed to prevent exploits.
(e.g. Trying to use Slaves for everything.)
