Rise and Fall add....
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Simply list of previous achieved scores in order to compare the current game with how you did in the past.
This is such an important thing for long-time motivation and I really don’t understand why they didn’t implement such an easy and obvious feature.
This is such an important thing for long-time motivation and I really don’t understand why they didn’t implement such an easy and obvious feature.
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Temppu
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HoF would be nice, but the way it has been implemented in previous iterations is not exactly what Im longing for. Getting your position in a list of Scores simply tells how well you performed w.r.t. Score victory. If you made a great Religion game, your score will be low nonetheless. Same goes for Culture victories. If there will be a HoF in Civ VI, I hope it addresses the difficulty of comparing different victory types.
As an additional personal interest, Ill note that I would like a HoF that somehow compares my result with games of other players. Like a ladder or a global ranking of some sort. Nevertheless, for such a system the above issues and many more have to be solved. Otherwise the listing would simply show who has most time playing Simcity in the largest possible map.
As an additional personal interest, Ill note that I would like a HoF that somehow compares my result with games of other players. Like a ladder or a global ranking of some sort. Nevertheless, for such a system the above issues and many more have to be solved. Otherwise the listing would simply show who has most time playing Simcity in the largest possible map.
So the Hall of fame is only a list of the Scores of your previous games? The Civ-Score? The score that barely has any meaning and relation to how you are doing in a game?
People are wanting this list back again and again for ages. Oo Just get a piece of paper and a pen and write it down. Or use Excel.
Seriously, I just don't get how one can be so fixated on one number in a game with so many things in it like Civ.
People are wanting this list back again and again for ages. Oo Just get a piece of paper and a pen and write it down. Or use Excel.
Seriously, I just don't get how one can be so fixated on one number in a game with so many things in it like Civ.
Vandlys
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Well, because it is only important to some people. I don't know if there are a lot (I see it being mentioned only sometimes) or a little. I didn't do extensive research. However, I played the game 900 hours without it, didn't miss it, don't care about it. So I guess it is not per se an important thing for long-term motivation : )
I'm assuming they will have some equivalent that stores that new timeline of your civ - it seems like a missed opportunity otherwise.
For the actual hall of fame, it seems pointless with the current score calculation mechanism.
Win turn might be a more useful metric for it to store.
For the actual hall of fame, it seems pointless with the current score calculation mechanism.
Win turn might be a more useful metric for it to store.
It was more than just score, it was a ledger of who you played, the difficulty, the victory type, etc.
But yeah I agree with others that the Score calculation as it stands is not terrific, and largely just a measure of how many cities you have. Hopefully it's received some changes, with the new era score mechanics.
But yeah I agree with others that the Score calculation as it stands is not terrific, and largely just a measure of how many cities you have. Hopefully it's received some changes, with the new era score mechanics.
craney1987
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I feel this in itself is likely the reason they omitted it in the first place. Until they sort out how to get the game to score correctly, they won't add it.
So, the solution shouldn't be to omit the HoF entirely, but to make the score more meaningful, don't you agree? Compute the score in relation to the map size, re-evaluate victory types, take the new heroic moments into account. Ect, ect. .
I can't count the sheets of paper flying around in my gaming room with notations of everything and nothing. I took Excel notes for commodities in Elite: Dangerous. It works, of course, but at some point it gets tedious. In-game is so much easier, coherent and satisfying. All data is already there. Just display map type, victory condition, max gold/turn (and so on) and make the list sortable. Try to do this with your paper notes. (We live in the information age, for heavens sake, USE its benefits!)
Because keeping track of your game history, the leaders you played, the score you achieved with them IS interesting (& fun ... somehow). It even might help you remember this one awesome game, where you "conquered the world as Ryukyu" starting on this tiny island ...
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sonicmyst
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A list containing the fastest victory in number of turns (grouped by victory type and game speed), excluding use of any civ mods should be enough for Hall of Fame.
Temppu
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This is in no ways an easy task. Firstly, you must know the nature of the game very accurately before you can make such evaluations. As long as the game is still under development, it is not possible to make such evaluations decisively. Secondly, comparison of distinct metrics, such as map size, victory type, etc. etc. is not a straight-forward task. Who decides which metrics are more important than others? How are these decisions justified?
One way to avoid the mess of comparing fundamentally different game aspects would be to separate scoring of, e.g., different (i) victory types (ii) difficulties, and (iii) map types. Although this has the risk of becoming just another kind of mess with tens of different rankings, such a system would enable a standardization of some kind to make scores of separate games more comparable. Nevertheless, due to the massive complexity of the Civ games, there is no way to standardize all the aspects of the game. If those aspects I listed would be used as a basis of different rankings, different games would still be affected by (a) your civ selection (b) other civs and city-states (c) start location etc. etc.
As someone pointed out....just a record of your games...level played at/victory/map and size/if you didn't win...who did.
I like being able to go back and see that I consistently win with a particular leader (victory condition) and challenge myself with other leaders and other capabilities. The numbered score isn't really all that important (although would be fun) and I would not like to use a spreadsheet. It's something that was in all other Civ games and should not be hard to put back.
I like being able to go back and see that I consistently win with a particular leader (victory condition) and challenge myself with other leaders and other capabilities. The numbered score isn't really all that important (although would be fun) and I would not like to use a spreadsheet. It's something that was in all other Civ games and should not be hard to put back.
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HOF record
Aztecs, deity, normal, standard continents. Lost SV(Kongo)
10 cities, 10 wonders, 2nd in science accumulation, 5 th in culture accumulation, 3rd in faith accumulation 7th in gold accumulation 3rd in loyal citizen, 2nd in tourism, 4th in cross civ respect, 8th in military strength
Points = 3.9
Aztecs, deity, normal, standard continents. Lost SV(Kongo)
10 cities, 10 wonders, 2nd in science accumulation, 5 th in culture accumulation, 3rd in faith accumulation 7th in gold accumulation 3rd in loyal citizen, 2nd in tourism, 4th in cross civ respect, 8th in military strength
Points = 3.9
SammyKhalifa
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I wonder if the "Dan Quayle" joke has run its course yet . . .
Must admit I prefer the achievement like scoring system some games deploy, where you can see how many people have gained specific achievements, the Xcom 2 system is pretty awesome, would love to see something like that in Civ endgame.
Number of Soldiers killed: 3231
Number of Soldiers Lost: 2
Number of Soldiers killed: 3231
Number of Soldiers Lost: 2
I read the thread title as "Rise and Fall and..."
and my first thought was "...zombies".
You're welcome.
and my first thought was "...zombies".
You're welcome.
WillowBrook
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I do not understand why a HOF was not in the base game. It doesn't need to be at all complicated. Whenever a game ends, just have to add a bit of basic info to the list.
I want to be able to see what games I've played and the results, recall that game with civ x where I won by science, etc.
The way score is calculated is a separate issue, but past versions of civ have had no problem adjusting score for map size, rewarding more difficult play, etc. I'd like it to be improved, but I'll take a simple hall of fame over improvement in score calculation any day if asked to choose.
I want to be able to see what games I've played and the results, recall that game with civ x where I won by science, etc.
The way score is calculated is a separate issue, but past versions of civ have had no problem adjusting score for map size, rewarding more difficult play, etc. I'd like it to be improved, but I'll take a simple hall of fame over improvement in score calculation any day if asked to choose.
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