-
We are currently performing site maintenance, parts of civfanatics are currently offline, but will come back online in the coming days (this includes any time you see the message "account suspended"). For more updates please see here.
Rise of Rome Strategy
- Thread starter barryrf
- Start date
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
I have a couple that I use.
Rome
Gaul Strategy
Send starting Legions to Celtic border. Launch an attack against the Celts. If you do it right, you can usually destroy the Celts. From there, go and take on Carthage
Island Hopping
Send your galleys out and capture the Carthaginian islands. From their, assemble a large attack force in Sicily, as well as a large navy, and begin ferrying troops over to Africa, and land outside Carthago. Take the city and use it as a landing site for your war against Carthage.
Across the Adriatic
Move all your starting Legions to southern Italy. Start making a navy, and land in Macedonia. Advance towards Athens first, capture the peninsula and head to Byzantium, and try to reach it before the Persians.
Macedonia
Persian War
Have all cities produce Hoplites. Have Hoplites created in Far Western Macedonia move to Athens, as well as all the Galleys you have, and ferry Hoplites across the Aegean. Eventually you will begin advancing through Turkey.
Persia
Capital Movement
To reduce corruption in the west abandon Persopolis, and use the settler that is already there to build a new city. The capital will then move to Antioch.
Military/Settling
Have all the cities in the west produce Immortals. These will be used to fight Macedonia. Meanwhile, have the eastern cities, which are better at producing food make Settlers. That way you can continue fighting Macedon, while settling the area around you.
Carthage
Never tried them.
Rome
Gaul Strategy
Send starting Legions to Celtic border. Launch an attack against the Celts. If you do it right, you can usually destroy the Celts. From there, go and take on Carthage
Island Hopping
Send your galleys out and capture the Carthaginian islands. From their, assemble a large attack force in Sicily, as well as a large navy, and begin ferrying troops over to Africa, and land outside Carthago. Take the city and use it as a landing site for your war against Carthage.
Across the Adriatic
Move all your starting Legions to southern Italy. Start making a navy, and land in Macedonia. Advance towards Athens first, capture the peninsula and head to Byzantium, and try to reach it before the Persians.
Macedonia
Persian War
Have all cities produce Hoplites. Have Hoplites created in Far Western Macedonia move to Athens, as well as all the Galleys you have, and ferry Hoplites across the Aegean. Eventually you will begin advancing through Turkey.
Persia
Capital Movement
To reduce corruption in the west abandon Persopolis, and use the settler that is already there to build a new city. The capital will then move to Antioch.
Military/Settling
Have all the cities in the west produce Immortals. These will be used to fight Macedonia. Meanwhile, have the eastern cities, which are better at producing food make Settlers. That way you can continue fighting Macedon, while settling the area around you.
Carthage
Never tried them.
citizen001
Banned
I use a defensive island attack strategy where you defend and attack with legions and try to expand as fast as i can only going to war with the grey guys.
Barryrf,
I just finished my first RoR game last night, with the Romans (believe it or not, it was a random pick)! I played on Monarch to get used to it the first time. I won pretty easily, but I made a lot of mistakes from being used to the base game.
Here are some of my observations:
A domination or point victory is the only kind of victories in this game. They pretty much entail the same kind of strategy.
You get a lot of money in the game. There are abundant good resources and tiles on the map, with lots of rivers, cattle, etc It is a settler's paradise. Tech isn't that important! If you max science (which I did) you run out of tech half way through the game. I got into trouble from unbuilding my military (see below).
Its far more important to get a fast start. Its not 'difficult' to defeat Carthage, but it does take a long time. Carthage will never negotiate a peace. Your first priority is to get rid of them. Tehy have a lot of tough elephant riders.
I recommend taking out Sicily, of course. I then went right for Carthage. I eventually built my FP there.
Be careful of the Carthaginian fleet. The computer doesn't use it as well as a human would, but it can be very dangerous.
So, make sure you use your money to get the improvements you need. Build legions from areas with barracks.
If you play on emperor or above especially, don't be afraid to use the luxury slider. As I said, tech just isn't so important here; its much more important to move fast.
You won't have a lot of luxuries. Trade what you need -- don't worry about the extortion prices.
This game can be won with citizens (settlers). There is a LOT of room to expand. My strategy was accidental, but after finally beating up Carthage (which took too long because of mistakes I made) it makes sense to beat up the Celts. The Celt areas allow a LOT of great room to settle. Settle England, Ireland, the gaps, etc.
Carthage also didn't settle too much. Churn citizen/settlers out. If you defeat Carthage and the Celts, and settle all over, you will win on points and be close to having a domination victory.
As I said before, use your cash. At first look, your big advantage is your powerhouse legions -- but your very fast citizens and garrisons (pikemen) are also amazing advantage. Settle all over, build garrisons, and keep moving. Once I teched out, I ws generating a few hundred gold a turn, which I used to buy settlers, workers, and improvements. You can do it sooner also.
Another great area to settle is to the West, north of Macedon. There is a tremendous amount of room in the no-mans land and there are great settler sites.
Where to settle first? Get those luxuries! There is one near you, between you and the Celts. Grab it! There is another luxury in the no-man's land. Once you start beating up the empires, you will find they leave a lot of room to settle. I started by settling in Italy itslf, which also can be good (but I probably would go outward first now).
I spent a lot of time talking about settling, but of course you can win the game simply by conquering everyone also. You are strong enough.
In that case, its pretty simple. Beat up Carthage. Beat up the Celts. Then, pick on Macedon or Egypt and you should win. Or make peace with the Celts and pick on Egypt and/or Macedon -- Egypt gets some massive cities that help get the population figure closer to 50%.
What is the biggest danger? At one point, I thought I was going to lose. I found myself at war with Carthage, the Celts, the Goths, and the Scythians. I was barely able to hold them off, let alone move forward. Rome is strong enough it can win, but I had underbuilt my military. There are a lot of wars here -- don't be afraid to use money to bribe off the barbarians.
The Celts can help. They were at war with Crthage also, so we had a three way free-for-all in the area (near the France/Spain border).
One important issue is that although the legions are invincible, they are slow and its a large map. When fighting the other greater powers (Carthage, Macedon, etc.) the legions will be the lead, because the navies and roads can get you there. But also BUILD HEAVY CAVALRY. Its a big map. They will be crucial for running into Spain, against the Celts, etc. Even against Carthage, the heavy cavalry will keep the war elephants form retreating. They will help in defending border built cities. The Celts have mostly Gallic Swordsman that are also fast units and can retreat from the legions.
What about wonders? Sorry, I don't have great advice here. I built a lot. I like Hadrian's wall if you do heavy settling -- it gives outstanding defense AND keeps one of the other countries from getting it! Bacchanalia is great, but I missed it by 2 turns (Oh, how I HATE that).
I built the wonders. You get an early Golden Age, of course, so I wanted to get the culture up, mostly to avoid culture flips.
So, the main points:
1. Don't get too caught up spending everything on tech -- built fast.
2. You can get far settling. Your Citizens and garrisons give you strong abilities here. There are tremendous sites to settle. They will give you population and area, the key to winning.
3. Grab luxuries. There aren't many. Give extortion for them, especially on emperor or above.
4. Don't be afraid to use the luxury slider.
5. Even though the legions are killers, don't neglect heavy cavalry. It is really important to have the speedy units.
6. Carthage won't go to peace. Kill them in detail. Then, go after the Celts, Macedon, or Macedon.
7. Try to stay at peace with the Goths and Scythia. They aren't tough but they are annoying.
8. I didn't play it, but Rome is probably strong enough to win the game simply by beating the tar out of anything that moves.
Remember, this is just MY experience with one game. I'm an emperor player, I'm not an expert.
Best wishes,
Breunor
I just finished my first RoR game last night, with the Romans (believe it or not, it was a random pick)! I played on Monarch to get used to it the first time. I won pretty easily, but I made a lot of mistakes from being used to the base game.
Here are some of my observations:
A domination or point victory is the only kind of victories in this game. They pretty much entail the same kind of strategy.
You get a lot of money in the game. There are abundant good resources and tiles on the map, with lots of rivers, cattle, etc It is a settler's paradise. Tech isn't that important! If you max science (which I did) you run out of tech half way through the game. I got into trouble from unbuilding my military (see below).
Its far more important to get a fast start. Its not 'difficult' to defeat Carthage, but it does take a long time. Carthage will never negotiate a peace. Your first priority is to get rid of them. Tehy have a lot of tough elephant riders.
I recommend taking out Sicily, of course. I then went right for Carthage. I eventually built my FP there.
Be careful of the Carthaginian fleet. The computer doesn't use it as well as a human would, but it can be very dangerous.
So, make sure you use your money to get the improvements you need. Build legions from areas with barracks.
If you play on emperor or above especially, don't be afraid to use the luxury slider. As I said, tech just isn't so important here; its much more important to move fast.
You won't have a lot of luxuries. Trade what you need -- don't worry about the extortion prices.
This game can be won with citizens (settlers). There is a LOT of room to expand. My strategy was accidental, but after finally beating up Carthage (which took too long because of mistakes I made) it makes sense to beat up the Celts. The Celt areas allow a LOT of great room to settle. Settle England, Ireland, the gaps, etc.
Carthage also didn't settle too much. Churn citizen/settlers out. If you defeat Carthage and the Celts, and settle all over, you will win on points and be close to having a domination victory.
As I said before, use your cash. At first look, your big advantage is your powerhouse legions -- but your very fast citizens and garrisons (pikemen) are also amazing advantage. Settle all over, build garrisons, and keep moving. Once I teched out, I ws generating a few hundred gold a turn, which I used to buy settlers, workers, and improvements. You can do it sooner also.
Another great area to settle is to the West, north of Macedon. There is a tremendous amount of room in the no-mans land and there are great settler sites.
Where to settle first? Get those luxuries! There is one near you, between you and the Celts. Grab it! There is another luxury in the no-man's land. Once you start beating up the empires, you will find they leave a lot of room to settle. I started by settling in Italy itslf, which also can be good (but I probably would go outward first now).
I spent a lot of time talking about settling, but of course you can win the game simply by conquering everyone also. You are strong enough.
In that case, its pretty simple. Beat up Carthage. Beat up the Celts. Then, pick on Macedon or Egypt and you should win. Or make peace with the Celts and pick on Egypt and/or Macedon -- Egypt gets some massive cities that help get the population figure closer to 50%.
What is the biggest danger? At one point, I thought I was going to lose. I found myself at war with Carthage, the Celts, the Goths, and the Scythians. I was barely able to hold them off, let alone move forward. Rome is strong enough it can win, but I had underbuilt my military. There are a lot of wars here -- don't be afraid to use money to bribe off the barbarians.
The Celts can help. They were at war with Crthage also, so we had a three way free-for-all in the area (near the France/Spain border).
One important issue is that although the legions are invincible, they are slow and its a large map. When fighting the other greater powers (Carthage, Macedon, etc.) the legions will be the lead, because the navies and roads can get you there. But also BUILD HEAVY CAVALRY. Its a big map. They will be crucial for running into Spain, against the Celts, etc. Even against Carthage, the heavy cavalry will keep the war elephants form retreating. They will help in defending border built cities. The Celts have mostly Gallic Swordsman that are also fast units and can retreat from the legions.
What about wonders? Sorry, I don't have great advice here. I built a lot. I like Hadrian's wall if you do heavy settling -- it gives outstanding defense AND keeps one of the other countries from getting it! Bacchanalia is great, but I missed it by 2 turns (Oh, how I HATE that).
I built the wonders. You get an early Golden Age, of course, so I wanted to get the culture up, mostly to avoid culture flips.
So, the main points:
1. Don't get too caught up spending everything on tech -- built fast.
2. You can get far settling. Your Citizens and garrisons give you strong abilities here. There are tremendous sites to settle. They will give you population and area, the key to winning.
3. Grab luxuries. There aren't many. Give extortion for them, especially on emperor or above.
4. Don't be afraid to use the luxury slider.
5. Even though the legions are killers, don't neglect heavy cavalry. It is really important to have the speedy units.
6. Carthage won't go to peace. Kill them in detail. Then, go after the Celts, Macedon, or Macedon.
7. Try to stay at peace with the Goths and Scythia. They aren't tough but they are annoying.
8. I didn't play it, but Rome is probably strong enough to win the game simply by beating the tar out of anything that moves.
Remember, this is just MY experience with one game. I'm an emperor player, I'm not an expert.
Best wishes,
Breunor
The Omega
Completely Insane
Superbeaver Inc.
I've been trying your strategy, and at the moment i'm only 8% land and 2% population away from winning as the Romans. Your strategy practically makes it too easy.
I've been trying your strategy, and at the moment i'm only 8% land and 2% population away from winning as the Romans. Your strategy practically makes it too easy.
lederuvdapac
Chieftain
The Roman legions are very powerful, and they come off an assembly line in the roman cities so you will not have trouble with that. What i found is that Carthage, while not too difficult, is very persistent and annoying. After taking a cities a Carthaginian city, they come back will a lot of force to take it back. It is my opinion that the best strategy to wipe out Carthage fast is to take their capital as a staging point and raze every city you capture. Once you get deep enough into North Africa, you can build your own cities on top of the old sites to get the resources and luxuries.
This will allow you to focus on the most important thing...destroying Carthage...because in all the games i have played, the Persians become very powerful, very fast...usually taking out Macedonia and other civs. Another important thing is to make sure you get allies. For instance, the Celts do not have powerful units, but they have a hell of a lot of them and can be quite annoying when you are trying to take out Carthage.
This will allow you to focus on the most important thing...destroying Carthage...because in all the games i have played, the Persians become very powerful, very fast...usually taking out Macedonia and other civs. Another important thing is to make sure you get allies. For instance, the Celts do not have powerful units, but they have a hell of a lot of them and can be quite annoying when you are trying to take out Carthage.
The Omega
Completely Insane
Superbeaver inc, I 've continued my game, and found that you forgot something. What we're supposed to do if we have to fight Persia. Right now I'm barely hanging on, lost two cities, and almost my entire orignial landing force. I've had to make every city, even the ones with bad production and corruption, to make military units just to hold the Persians of. And I only need 5% more land..... 
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
I am assuming that Persia had advanced through Macedon. What Legionary level do you have? What I would do is mass as many Legions as possible in one spot, probably northern Italy, or somewhere near where the Persians are attacking. Once you have the large force, just start advancing.
@ The Omega: Did you go to war with Macedon? That's not something I'd recommend. The only game I tried as Rome (emperor difficulty), I left Macedon alone to focus on the Celts and Carthage. Macedon and Persia then held each other pretty even until late in the game when Macedon actually got the upper hand.
Due to Carthaginian naval superiority, I invaded Sicily, then Corsica, then Spain before launching a two-pronged attack on Africa. Passed Macedon in points with five turns remaining, and hit the 50/20 domination victory on the second last turn--whew!
Due to Carthaginian naval superiority, I invaded Sicily, then Corsica, then Spain before launching a two-pronged attack on Africa. Passed Macedon in points with five turns remaining, and hit the 50/20 domination victory on the second last turn--whew!
This strategy has worked for me as Rome:
Ally with macedon against carthage, it'll take down their navy considerably
Depending on level try to get ToA, it doesn't expire in this scenario
Expand a lot to the north with the superb citizens and garrisons
Defeat the celts in the beginning so they won't hinder your expansion and they wont get gallics either
Take at least Sicily, then hold it until you are ready to take more carthaginian cities
Dont bother going to war against anybody but the celts and carthaginians in the beginning, then later go for the others
Just my strategy
Ally with macedon against carthage, it'll take down their navy considerably
Depending on level try to get ToA, it doesn't expire in this scenario
Expand a lot to the north with the superb citizens and garrisons
Defeat the celts in the beginning so they won't hinder your expansion and they wont get gallics either
Take at least Sicily, then hold it until you are ready to take more carthaginian cities
Dont bother going to war against anybody but the celts and carthaginians in the beginning, then later go for the others
Just my strategy
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Theoden said:
That is a very important part of the plan. If Carthage gets enough turns to fortify the island, then it can be very hard to retake. I invaded the Celts, but didn't pay any attention to Sicily. The Carthiginians had about 20 turns(on regent) to build up their defenses. I only managed one landing before the Carthiginian navy moved in and made it impossible to make a landing without a naval battle.
The Omega
Completely Insane
@ MP4-18A- I beat the Celts and the Carthigians very fast. I then invaded teh Greeks.
@ Superbeaver Inc- It actually wasn't the Persians who captured most of Greece. It was the Scythians (I don't know how it happened either). By the time I invaded, the Greeks had only about 5 cities left. After capturing those cities, I only needed 5% more land, so I decided to invade Persia, because the were right next door to my forces. Only after I invaded did I realize that their army was so big...... But, on the bright side, I've recaptured a city and only need 3% more land!
Also, about the Carthigian navy. There have been alot of talk about the Carthigian navy. I originally had this problem too, but what I did was conquer Sicily, build harbors in all three cities, and make them constantly produce galleys. Eventually, (with help from other civs) the Carthigian navy consisted of a galley appearing ever so often.
@ Superbeaver Inc- It actually wasn't the Persians who captured most of Greece. It was the Scythians (I don't know how it happened either). By the time I invaded, the Greeks had only about 5 cities left. After capturing those cities, I only needed 5% more land, so I decided to invade Persia, because the were right next door to my forces. Only after I invaded did I realize that their army was so big...... But, on the bright side, I've recaptured a city and only need 3% more land!
Also, about the Carthigian navy. There have been alot of talk about the Carthigian navy. I originally had this problem too, but what I did was conquer Sicily, build harbors in all three cities, and make them constantly produce galleys. Eventually, (with help from other civs) the Carthigian navy consisted of a galley appearing ever so often.
hello everybody
did someone tried this scenario with the macedonians, and could give some advices?
I ve just tried it at emperor level, and i had to quit. I tried to rush for invade Turkey, took 2 citiess with the initials soldiers (and an army of hoplites) but had to stop here. And, from then, the persians didn' keep to send dozens of immortals, while i had only 9 10 hoplites in Turkey to face them. Finally Byzance failed, i was wondering how persians could produce so many units.
I decided to build great library and "oracle" in Athens and thebes. I have also tried to expand in the north, but the scythes and the romans declared war on me (althougth i had a military alliance with scythes against persians) and atacked my unfortified cities in the north.
I feel that the only option for macedonians is to make huge war efforts against persians and only persians - no expand, no wonders -, insofar as persians seem to be stronger, and the cities we can create in the north are massively corrupted. Have i right?
(note that i am french, sorry for the poor english)
did someone tried this scenario with the macedonians, and could give some advices?
I ve just tried it at emperor level, and i had to quit. I tried to rush for invade Turkey, took 2 citiess with the initials soldiers (and an army of hoplites) but had to stop here. And, from then, the persians didn' keep to send dozens of immortals, while i had only 9 10 hoplites in Turkey to face them. Finally Byzance failed, i was wondering how persians could produce so many units.
I decided to build great library and "oracle" in Athens and thebes. I have also tried to expand in the north, but the scythes and the romans declared war on me (althougth i had a military alliance with scythes against persians) and atacked my unfortified cities in the north.
I feel that the only option for macedonians is to make huge war efforts against persians and only persians - no expand, no wonders -, insofar as persians seem to be stronger, and the cities we can create in the north are massively corrupted. Have i right?
(note that i am french, sorry for the poor english)
The Omega
Completely Insane
Have all your cities make hoplites. If your lucky, and the random number generator likes you, you should push the Persians back. Hopefully. Maybe. I have no idea.
joycem10
Deity
Ive won one as the Macedons on Monarch. I kept peace with the Romans by going to war with Carthage and concentrated entirely on Hoplites with a couple of horsement from my Thassalonican cities.
I got lucky and pulled a leader early and used it to chop up all the roads from the Persian center into Anatolia while playing a defensive game. After Anatolia was cut off, maybe 10 turns, I started taking the cities.
Its nice to have the horsement for counterattacks against immortals and to get immediate upgrades when heavy cavalry comes available. I eventually took out the Persians, the remainder of the Egyptians and a portion of the Carthaginians.
I got lucky and pulled a leader early and used it to chop up all the roads from the Persian center into Anatolia while playing a defensive game. After Anatolia was cut off, maybe 10 turns, I started taking the cities.
Its nice to have the horsement for counterattacks against immortals and to get immediate upgrades when heavy cavalry comes available. I eventually took out the Persians, the remainder of the Egyptians and a portion of the Carthaginians.
A group of SGers, including me, won as Macedonia on deity a while back...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=70382
Hard early attack. Our experience, though, was that Persia had the easiest position by far. A team took each of the 4 playable civs for a spin on deity. Persia was very powerful in 3 of the 4 games....it was the only civ the AI could run well. Only when the human hand guided Macedonia did it keep up.
Arathorn
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=70382
Hard early attack. Our experience, though, was that Persia had the easiest position by far. A team took each of the 4 playable civs for a spin on deity. Persia was very powerful in 3 of the 4 games....it was the only civ the AI could run well. Only when the human hand guided Macedonia did it keep up.
Arathorn
It was hard, but I managed to win as Carthage.
I first used my seafaring galleys to prevent Rome from landing Legionaries in Africa, while I built up a large army of Numidian Mercenaries and War Elephants. I did lose my Spanish possessions at this time, but I wasnt worried about them. I allied myself with Macedon against Persia, so I could ask for Al's help when I needed to advance into Italy.
When I finally reached Italy, I first captured Rome, so I would dismantle the central command, and capture Hadrian's Wall. During this time, I had Macedon declare war on Rome, and the Celts also bothered the Legionaries. The alliances were only to distract some Legionaries away from my main force. After capturing Rome, I went south and capture Neapolis and other cities south of Rome. I then went into upper Italy, while sending a small force to retake my Spanish cities.
When Rome was gone, I invaded Egypt and Persia and increased my empire.
I was happy.
I first used my seafaring galleys to prevent Rome from landing Legionaries in Africa, while I built up a large army of Numidian Mercenaries and War Elephants. I did lose my Spanish possessions at this time, but I wasnt worried about them. I allied myself with Macedon against Persia, so I could ask for Al's help when I needed to advance into Italy.
When I finally reached Italy, I first captured Rome, so I would dismantle the central command, and capture Hadrian's Wall. During this time, I had Macedon declare war on Rome, and the Celts also bothered the Legionaries. The alliances were only to distract some Legionaries away from my main force. After capturing Rome, I went south and capture Neapolis and other cities south of Rome. I then went into upper Italy, while sending a small force to retake my Spanish cities.
When Rome was gone, I invaded Egypt and Persia and increased my empire.
I was happy.
The Omega
Completely Insane
I won! After recapturing one of my cities, I got another army, which I used to smash through the Persians! 
Surprisingly, the city that got me a domination victory was a city I settled, not captured.
Surprisingly, the city that got me a domination victory was a city I settled, not captured.
SuperBeaverInc.
Groucho
Very nice. Got a final map?
The Omega
Completely Insane
I did, but it got deleted.......
Similar threads
