Roleplaying versus strategy

In Civ III DG1 all the roleplaying was informal (no econ sim).

It did effect stradegy every now and then, but never in ways that greatly impacted the overall stategy.

Examples:

We rushed a Destroyer once to launch a "Rescue mission" to save one of our citizens who had gotten caught in the crossfire after a "interview" with the King Alexander who had gotten exiled to a single city island nation (greece was still at war with the Iroqouis at the time.)

We also had several "National Parks" where we weren't allowed to cut down the Forests there.

Other then that I can't really think of any other roleplaying which directly effected strategy, most everything else was strategy and in game events effecting roleplaying.
 
Indeed... Obviously, we can't go making suicidal decisions (or indecisions) for the sake of roleplay...

But much roleplay should still be possible... I think the newspaper has great potential in relation to this too..

I think the final decision, the one that goes on the live game, should be strategic AND based upon what citizens have voted... but the roleplay part will bring alot to our DG2 community and like Furius said, the newspaper has a great potential for editorial subjects AND roleplay... we should also roleplay our civics... a despot leader should give a rats' a** about what other people say, but still, since we are playing a mod of the game which involves 50+ peeps, just consider citizens as multiple personalities for the leader :crazyeye:

just adding my two golds per turn...
 
I can remember way back in Civ3 DG2 or so, some actually wanted roleplay to affect the game (even I wanted that to a minor degree). Now, things like, "Let's not enact the Slavery civic because it's slavery" is letting roleplay get in the way of the game. (One reason we really never pop-rushed or razed our own cities... - Civ3 DG6 was an exception. I seem to recall Falcon02 and Donsig or someone else in a heated debate about that in Civ3 DG1.).


Civ4 kind of takes away the roleplay aspect of building certain wonders in certain cities and other things due to the way the economy/production system works now (i.e., you can't get rich by building roads - roads are less important now, too, and you can't mine every tile now). There is more roleplay in civics, and religion, so a Culture Advisor would actually have something to do now. Cottages/Hamlets/Towns can also add to the roleplay -- suburbs. :)


Some examples of roleplaying back in Civ3 -

Citizen's Groups. These aren't as popular now, but back in the day (Civ3 DG1), they were wildly popular. There were two large Citizen Groups - "The War Church" (Knight-Dragon/XIII's group), and the "Spice Traders Guild", my group. The groups weren't political (i.e., they couldn't have a voting block, and couldn't force people to vote or not vote), but they could roleplay certain aspects of the game, and even put something in a thread like, "The Spice Traders Guild would like to have an additional source of spices", or "The War Church would love to have the city of Tyre, and will assemble 5 Macemen to help take it.".

City Threads - Usually the mayor, or the person who "founded" the city (it was the name of a city that they wanted) would make this thread, and roleplay activities in the thread. Events in the city would revolve around the actual gameplay. In Civ3 DG1, Thebes and Mephis were the staging grounds of the Iroquois War, Asphinxia Banquet (and The Great Steamed Crab Debate), and storing of artillery to fend off the Iroquois invasion. In DG2, several cities were captured by India, and they were the staging grounds for a resistence movement while our forces recovered and took back the city. In DG7, we had a 5-city challenge, and cities vied to become the best in a certain area. For example, my city had the first of several unit types, and several war-related wonders. Another city was a fishing city (there were 2 competing for that title I think).

Freeform Events - There are events that can be held in a city or province that are usually sports related. We had a boat race in a bay in Civ3 DG1, and a(n American) Football tournament in Civ3 DG2. Civ3 DG2 (which lasted 11 months due to it being on a huge map and on Emperor - nearly 24 hour turnchats!) also had an economy roleplay, plus a "Game of Fuedalism" where players owned certain tiles and gained income. One of the interesting Freeform events was after Civ3 DG1 was finished - the "Advisors Civil War". It started with the "Delphi County" thread when disorganizer didn't agree with how his city was being handled by the DP (designated player - in Civ3, it was always the president, then down the chain of command). So, he revolted. Soon after, different advisored took sides, and it was a "Civil War" - not to be confused with the "Medicine War" (remember that, donsig?).

Roleplay Forum Threads - These were strictly for the roleplay forum. There would be threads such as a pub, or a news stand.


Roleplaying tends to be the most creative during the early part of the game when a lot of users are still around, and during times of war, especially when we're the ones being invaded (didn't happen that often).
 
Ah, the memories....

"Let's not enact the Slavery civic because it's slavery" is letting roleplay get in the way of the game. (One reason we really never pop-rushed or razed our own cities... - Civ3 DG6 was an exception. I seem to recall Falcon02 and Donsig or someone else in a heated debate about that in Civ3 DG1.).

I don't recall that one... we might have though, and I think I was against using Slavery in general at the time... I'll see if I can't find a thread about it later though... always fun to dig back in the DG archives.


In Civ3 DG1, Thebes and Mephis were the staging grounds of the Iroquois War, Asphinxia Banquet (and The Great Steamed Crab Debate), and storing of artillery to fend off the Iroquois invasion. In DG2, several cities were captured by India, and they were the staging grounds for a resistence movement while our forces recovered and took back the city.

The Asphinxia Banquet was great... also had a bit of an Airshow planned... which eventually caused a mini-war between and Strider (I think) and me over who's craft was better...

It was good to have a fellow Marylander on my side for that Crab debate though ;)

I remember the resistance, but I think that was the point my DG2 participation started to wane.

One of the interesting Freeform events was after Civ3 DG1 was finished - the "Advisors Civil War". It started with the "Delphi County" thread when disorganizer didn't agree with how his city was being handled by the DP (designated player - in Civ3, it was always the president, then down the chain of command). So, he revolted. Soon after, different advisored took sides, and it was a "Civil War" - not to be confused with the "Medicine War" (remember that, donsig?).

Related to the Airshow war with me and Strider (Science at the time), Strider took Disorganizer's side and I (as Military) was forced to act to surpress the rebellion.

I think even after Disorganizer stopped his rebellion me and Strider were still going at it...
 
Ah, the memories....



I don't recall that one... we might have though, and I think I was against using Slavery in general at the time... I'll see if I can't find a thread about it later though... always fun to dig back in the DG archives.




The Asphinxia Banquet was great... also had a bit of an Airshow planned... which eventually caused a mini-war between and Strider (I think) and me over who's craft was better...

It was good to have a fellow Marylander on my side for that Crab debate though ;)

I remember the resistance, but I think that was the point my DG2 participation started to wane.



Related to the Airshow war with me and Strider (Science at the time), Strider took Disorganizer's side and I (as Military) was forced to act to surpress the rebellion.

I think even after Disorganizer stopped his rebellion me and Strider were still going at it...

And who can forget the greatest flag of all time? :D

asphinxia_flag.jpg
 
NOW THATS WHAT I WANT TO PLAY.
I want to play a dg like that. Where I can play a story and be in a government running a civ.
I know its still pre actual game but I think that the thread for roleplay should be started and organized soon so that we can hit the ground running with the whole roleplaying thing.
 
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