Roman requests: Corvus & Quinquireme

[pinktilapia]

Hi unit-creators,

I wish to place two requests here, for two units much needed in any antique world mod/scenario. These are direly needed for RFRE as well .

- A quinquireme (something similar to aaglo's siege quinquireme, but with just one hull and no such castle at the top)

- Another quinquireme equiped with the corvus (boarding device, see pics below): the attack animation would includes the corvus going down and small Roman legionaries rushing on the bridge from one ship to another.

Thanks indeed if anyone can make one (or two!) of these units!

 

[jobiwan7]

I second this request, though I suppose animating that attack could be a challenge.

 

[Goldflash]

Eh. we have so many Roman units.. I would really rather see some Goths so the romans can have some one to fight rather than fill in Niche rolls for one of the most filled out Civs in the game.

Not to diss your request- you made it quite well

 

[Bungus]

^What he said.^

 

[pinktilapia]

Yes Goldflash, Rome is certainly a lucky civ with plenty of units already. It is just that the corvus was as much important to Rome in early naval domination than the legion was in terrestrial warfare. Now if some Goths are made, all for the best

 

[Xen]

Eh. we have so many Roman units.. I would really rather see some Goths so the romans can have some one to fight rather than fill in Niche rolls for one of the most filled out Civs in the game.

Not to diss your request- you made it quite well

the goths, apperentlly, do not inspire the same passion in thier champions for thier causes as the Romans do for thiers

 

[Mithadan]

Go Goths Go! Hup hup Goths! Woooo-eeeeeiiii!

 

[Yoda Power]

Mithadan I think those pictures should have their own request thread, instead of hijacking pinktilapias'.

 

[Master Kodama]

For the record, I think the corvus was pretty inaffective. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the Roman's started using them against Carthage because, while they could match Carthaginian troops in hand-to-hand combat, Rome couldn't compete with Carthaginian naval prowess and suchlike. If they could board Carthaginian ships, the Roman's figured they could take the upperhand in naval engagements which Carthage usually dominated. As I said, I don't think this strategy worked as well as the Roman's had hoped -- in the long run, adopting Carthaginian naval tactics was probably far more affective.

But hey, if it looks cool...

 

[Iron Beagle]

Oh, those goths. I thought he meant angsty, pale people with lots of piercings and black clothes.

*rimshot*

 

[Goldflash]

Oh, those goths. I thought he meant angsty, pale people with lots of piercings and black clothes.

*rimshot*

I'm going to put on too much mascara and cry alot while listening to bad music and writing the same angsty poem over and over again! Waaaaaaah!

 

[Thorgrimm]

For the record, I think the corvus was pretty inaffective. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that the Roman's started using them against Carthage because, while they could match Carthaginian troops in hand-to-hand combat, Rome couldn't compete with Carthaginian naval prowess and suchlike. If they could board Carthaginian ships, the Roman's figured they could take the upperhand in naval engagements which Carthage usually dominated. As I said, I don't think this strategy worked as well as the Roman's had hoped -- in the long run, adopting Carthaginian naval tactics was probably far more affective.

But hey, if it looks cool...

Ummm Master Kodama, are we from the same universe? As my history books tell me that the Corvus allowed the Romans to overcome a massive Carthaginian naval superiority. In fact Marcus Agrippa improved on the design and called it the Harpax, so instead of using the heavy wooden plank all the Romans had to do was fire a harpoonlike weapon and pull their enemies vessel within boarding range. Where the Roman HtH would slaughter the enemy sailors.

Now I do not know what you would consider effective if what I described you consider ineffective. As the Corvus and the Harpax allowed Rome, a non naval nation, to begin to dominate the Med. Now I consider that damned effective. Especially when you can force your enemy to fight your strengths with his weaknesses.


Cheers Thorgrimm

 

[Mithadan]

Mithadan I think those pictures should have their own request thread, instead of hijacking pinktilapias'.

You're quite right. I didn't really post them here as a request, so much as a tounge-in-cheek response to Xen's remark that "the goths, apparently, do not inspire the same passion in their champions for their causes as the Romans do for their's." (The pics are old scans I PMed Xen a while ago, back when he had a running list of various unit requests and there was talk about Gothic horsemen or something. I actually don't know that we need a Gothic horseman unit, at least, because of utahjazz7's "Rohirrim" unit. Plus there's CivArmy's Visigothic Spearman...)

Anyway, sorry for the hijack.

 

[Hrafnkell]

Ummm Master Kodama, are we from the same universe? As my history books tell me that the Corvus allowed the Romans to overcome a massive Carthaginian naval superiority. In fact Marcus Agrippa improved on the design and called it the Harpax, so instead of using the heavy wooden plank all the Romans had to do was fire a harpoonlike weapon and pull their enemies vessel within boarding range. Where the Roman HtH would slaughter the enemy sailors.

Now I do not know what you would consider effective if what I described you consider ineffective. As the Corvus and the Harpax allowed Rome, a non naval nation, to begin to dominate the Med. Now I consider that damned effective. Especially when you can force your enemy to fight your strengths with his weaknesses.

Agreed, wholeheartedly, Thorgrimm. Obviously, the Roman historians concur with your assessment, as did noted historian Theodore Mommsen among others. The corvus allowed the Romans, with little experience of naval warfare, to contest Carthaginian naval supremecy and overthrow it. It turned sea battles into land battles, something the Romans obviously excelled at.

 

[pinktilapia]

I lost track of this request. If Goths are made, I would enjoy them as well and they would certainly fit in the next upgrade for RFRE, so I don't see any problem with the 'hijack' . Now, since this is little more than a concealed bump after all, anyone willing to give a try on this galley+corvus? They are really needed!

 

[LBPB]

I can only second this request

The Corvus is much a needed unit

 

[Master Kodama]

Ummm Master Kodama, are we from the same universe?

No need to get uppity, questioning my cosmic origin or affiliation like that. I said, "I could be wrong, but I seem to recall" -- I never claimed to be an authority, quite the opposite. I simply remember learning that the corvus made ships unbalanced and unweildy; I could easily have been misinformed, or I may have misinterpreted something, or this could be a description that applied only to earlier versions before they were refined to a better working model.

 

[pinktilapia]

@ Master Kodama
You are right and wrong in the same time of course . The corvus at sea allowed the Republic to make use of its legionaries superiority against the more efficient Carthaginian fleet. The tactics worked, as the Romans won the battles of Mylae, Sulci, Tindarys and Ecnomus, largely due to the corvus strategy and Carthaginian incapacity to adapt. But you are right, despite all its qualities, the corvus compromised the ship's navigability and Romans lost almost two entire fleets to weather conditions. This was probably the reason for the abandonment of the corvus in ship design to the end of the first punic war. Anyway, by that time, the Roman had finaly acquired enough efficieny and skills in naval warfare to fight more conventionally against their naval foe.

@Artist

Come on anyone, let's make this unit!

 

[Gunner]

I support this unit too for anyone who is interested (not that anyone is.)

 

[Orthanc]

Originally Posted by Gunner
I support this unit too for anyone who is interested (not that anyone is.)

Except for yours truly.

I've been looking for a sort of "strange" boat to do. A boat with an entire deployable bridge, I don't think anyone else ever made something like that, probably why it was so successful. Seeing as I've got templates for oars, sails and arrows this wouldn't be too hard (I know I always say that, but I always feel I'm improving so hence the optimism) plus its not an overly complicated hull (unlike the Titanic ). I'll get back to you once the Titanic is done, which may be sometime next week!