Scenario maps for 268BC and 1081AD 2016-10-05

[Cimbri]

Hi guys,

I am working (okay, I have been working for years!) on a couple of scenario maps for 268BC and 1081AD.

Do any of our local scholars have any input or suggestions (or corrections) for my maps? I'd like to hear it.

Note that a lot of this is based off of historical sources from my own library. Some city locations and names are based on conjecture and educated guesses. Some civs are named like their historical counterpart was actually named (or presumably named), so that there are no Seleucids, but there is the Kingdom of Antiochus. If any of you have better theories or guesses, I'd love to hear them.


Anyway, I also figured that some of you might be able to use it as a template for your own scenarios.

They can be found here

Have fun

 

[Kyriakos]

^Very cool map in the pic

 

[Cimbri]

Thanks

I've spent a lot of time placing terrain to make the maps as detailed (and fun to play) as possible.

 

[Cimbri]

Some in-game pictures of the 268 BC map

Syria

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Anetolia

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[Ares de Borg]

Love them! Great work on these maps.

 

[register]

Yes, look great. Why 286BC?

 

[Jerry'sGoldfish]

very good

268, first year of AD counting?

 

[Cimbri]

Yes, look great. Why 286BC?

Because of a couple of things:

1) It was more or less a short period where there were no immediate conflicts, so no player is forced to have to start out at war with anyone.

2) It was the time of Chremonides, the Athenian statesman who created an alliance between Athens, Sparta, and Ptolemy II of Egypt. Oh, and the year Ashoka became the emperor of the Mauryan Empire.

 

[Jerry'sGoldfish]

ok, 268 BC...

 

[AnthonyBoscia]

Very cool, Cimbri. Downloading now to check it out.

 

[Korvin_Melarsky]

Greate maps! Where i can find modpack for this maps?

 

[Cimbri]

Hi Korvin_Melarsky

I cannot recall what the terrain is called, but it is in the download database (I'm at work now).

The cities and stuff are graphics I ripped off from Slitherine's Legion and Chariots of War. Then I did some cut-n-paste to ruen them into something fitting for the timeframe.

 

[T-mun]

Hi Cimbri, I've checked the maps and found a few wrong city names in the part of the world that I know best, France. You can check this page (french wikipedia) for the Latin names of today's french cities.
In the first scenario, Nemossos seems wrong, though I'm not sure. It sounds like Nemausus, which would be more south (Nîmes). Vienne should be Vienna Allobrogium (or just Vienna).
In the second scenario, Tolosa should be Toulouse, and I have to admit I had no idea what Cularo and Graignovol meant until I googled for them and found it was the Gallic and Medieval names of Grenoble. No info about when the name has changed, though.
Some names using English ("on the [river name]" or "by the [sea name]") could be changed to something more Roman (or more Greek). There is also a mix of Roman names and Greek names, maybe you should choose one or the other.
Small details on a very good map. I have made myself a very similar one using BmptoBic, a wee bit smaller because large maps take me too much playing time. The Hellenistic Era is one of my favourite period in History, and I would love to see a scenario focusing on it

 

[Cimbri]

Hi Cimbri, I've checked the maps and found a few wrong city names in the part of the world that I know best, France. You can check this page (french wikipedia) for the Latin names of today's french cities.
In the first scenario, Nemossos seems wrong, though I'm not sure. It sounds like Nemausus, which would be more south (Nîmes). Vienne should be Vienna Allobrogium (or just Vienna).

Hi T-mun

Thank you for your input.

Nice list. I'll go through it and see what needs to be corrected.

Nemossos was the main(?) oppidum of the Arverni near Gergovia. But it is not related to Nemausus/Nîmes, which also almost made it into the map. Oh, and I like Vienna Allobrogium, so that'll have to be used (The Allobroges was a faction before they became Galatians instead. But I like the name... Allobroges. It sounds nice.).

In the second scenario, Tolosa should be Toulouse, and I have to admit I had no idea what Cularo and Graignovol meant until I googled for them and found it was the Gallic and Medieval names of Grenoble. No info about when the name has changed, though.

It would appear that Tolosa is old South Frankish for Toulouse, so I decided to stick with it. But this one in particular was difficult, because I had a faction called County of Toulouse until recently - So Toulouse controlled the town of Tolosa, which seemed a bit strange.

Some names using English ("on the [river name]" or "by the [sea name]") could be changed to something more Roman (or more Greek). There is also a mix of Roman names and Greek names, maybe you should choose one or the other.
Small details on a very good map. I have made myself a very similar one using BmptoBic, a wee bit smaller because large maps take me too much playing time. The Hellenistic Era is one of my favourite period in History, and I would love to see a scenario focusing on it

A yes, a small lapse in consistency here, which I must admit is necessitated by the limitations of the editor - Alas, the city names cannot be too long. English is occasionally better than Latin or Greek in this regard.

Maybe I'll release a zip with all files for this. I mean, it is almost a finished scenario already.

 

[T-mun]

Hi again

You're probably right about Tolosa being "old South Frankish" (at least that's the word they use in Occitan language). But at that time each part of what is now France used to speak a different language (Occitan, Provençal, Gallo in Bretagne...) so you may have to choose between modern French and these other languages... like with Graignovol instead of Grenoble.

About English being "shorter" than Latin, I'm not sure... would "Olbia Pontica" work in place of "Olbia-on-the-Pontic-Sea" ?

The Allobroges... they were still there when Caesar started conquering the Gauls, he talks about them IIRC. They are very renowned in the region where I live now (around Lyons) and all the way from here to Swiss. There are a lot of "Hotel des Allobroges", restaurants, streets, places named after them. More famous than many other Gallic tribes like the Tectosages or the Voconces...