Second hand smoke dangers are a myth

[The Commander]

Well the World Health Organization put out a deal a few years back saying that 2nd hand smoke is a complete and total myth, and it's just AMerican anti-smoking fanatics.

I'm inclined to believe this, because EVERYONE in my family smokes, and NOBODY in my family has cancer. (We prefer to die by heart attacks )

Hell, as i'm sure Dumb Pothead can tell you, second-hang weed smoke doesn't get you high, and second-hang cigarette smoke doesn't hurt you.

Hell, it actually seems that just like hard alcohol, a little bit is actually helpful, because it's bad enough it kills minor viral entities that would give you a cold or other small affliction.

Not to say cigarettes don't cause cancer, they definitely are a factor, but just being near somebody who smokes? Gimme a break.

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by The Commander
Well the World Health Organization put out a deal a few years back saying that 2nd hand smoke is a complete and total myth, and it's just AMerican anti-smoking fanatics.

I'm inclined to believe this, because EVERYONE in my family smokes, and NOBODY in my family has cancer. (We prefer to die by heart attacks )

Hell, as i'm sure Dumb Pothead can tell you, second-hang weed smoke doesn't get you high, and second-hang cigarette smoke doesn't hurt you.

Hell, it actually seems that just like hard alcohol, a little bit is actually helpful, because it's bad enough it kills minor viral entities that would give you a cold or other small affliction.

Not to say cigarettes don't cause cancer, they definitely are a factor, but just being near somebody who smokes? Gimme a break.

So you say that EVERYONE in your family smokes, and none has cancer, and use this to support your belief that second-hand smoking doesn't cause cancer.

Yet, you believe that cigarettes do cause cancer (for the person smoking them)!

I would have thought that the irrefutable evidence from yuor family's lack of cancer would have lead you to believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer!

 

[Speedo]

Well the World Health Organization put out a deal a few years back saying that 2nd hand smoke is a complete and total myth, and it's just AMerican anti-smoking fanatics.

Source?

 

[Desmond Hawkins]

Of course it is dangerous, as common sense says that breathing in smoke is bad for you, however it obviously is not nearly as bad as smoking yourself.

I mean those shs stories on tv are pretty self-explanatory "I have been working in a bar for 50 years, packed full of smoke without smoking myself before, and now I have cancer"

Well if you work all day in a smoke-filled envrionment for like 50 years, then of course you are going to have some chance of having complications.

Conclusion: It does have an effect, but not as bad as is advertised.

 

[ainwood]

Originally posted by Sobieski II
Conclusion: It does have an effect, but not as bad as is advertised.

I would have thought that cancer is as bad as its adertised.

The reason why conclusions can only be reliably drawn from large populaitons is that people are all different. Some are much more susceptable to cancer than others.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I have to assume that The Commander was joking.

 

[Shadylookin]

you shouldn't smoke it's bad for you *gets up opens the window and takes a big deep breath of ozone, sulfer dioxide, carbon monoxide, and carbon dioxide* I would say there are more factors in lung cancer than smoking.

 

[MrPresident]

Smoking is bad. Second-hand smoking is bad. However smoking is a choice and people should be allowed to smoke if they want. They should also be considerate to non-smokers and not smoke in their presence is requested. In turn non-smokers should be as polite as possible about asking a smoker to stop smoking. That way everyone acts in a civil manner, smokers get to die the early death they so obviously want, and non-smokers get to breathe clearly right up until the time they get hit by a bus.

 

[lord42]

I have asthma...
If someone's ciggarette sends me into an attack I could die.
I think that's dangerous enough without regarding lung cancer in the first place..
So frankly your argument has no grounds to support it. Unless you dispute the reality of asthma.

 

[Akka]

Honestly, DP, this thread was a joke ?

I mean, transposing from cat to man, ignoring the whole statistical concept and as such taking a single example, and using 12 years as a simple, ignoring the fact that it takes usually 20 to 40 years to develop a cancer due to smoking, and taking as proof a second-hand smoker not having cancer, while you, first-hand smoker, haven't one either... Well, all that is just too big to be true. Must be a joke.
Or incredible stupidity.

 

[The Last Conformist]

That's a point, of course - cats are less susceptible to cancer because they've got shorter life expectancies. I guess that's partly compensated by a higher metabolic rate, tho.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by the CDC
The agency said that as little as 30 minutes' exposure can have a serious and even lethal effect.

Horse hockey! I never heard such nonsense in my life! I cant imagine that you people actually believe that I guess you do, thats why people these days react like you whipped out a plutonium fuel rod when you take out a cigarette.

Hell, as i'm sure Dumb Pothead can tell you, second-hang weed smoke doesn't get you high

I have no idea. Ive never been in the same room with somebody who was smoking, and not smoked myself.

I find addiction to tobacco to be a sign of weakness

Oh please, spare me the holier than thou routine. You dont smoke so therefore youre a pillar of strength I never met anybody who didnt have weaknesses or a vice or two.

I mean, transposing from cat to man, ignoring the whole statistical concept and as such taking a single example, and using 12 years as a simple, ignoring the fact that it takes usually 20 to 40 years to develop a cancer due to smoking... Well, all that is just too big to be true.

It wouldnt take a cat 20 years to get cancer. They barely even live that long. Theyd develop symptoms much quicker than that if it was so incredibly harmful. Ever hear of canaries in coal mines?

@Last, youre wrong about that. The opposite is true. Theyd get cancer much quicker than a human would if exposed to the same conditions.

 

[Amenhotep7]

I don't have any vices I can think of...Don't drink, don't smoke, don't gamble...You know how they say there's a first time for everything? Well this is the first time you'v met someone with no vices.

 

[The Last Conformist]

30 mins of exposture to tobacco smoke shouldn't be able to kill anyone without serious asthmatic problems. It's more than enough, however, to give some non-asthmatics, incl me, terrible coughing attacks.

I'd like to hear the explanation why cats would develop cancer quicker than humans. They do have a higher metabolic rate, but not enough to compensate their much lower life expectancy; do you mean to imply they've got much worse chromosomal self-repair systems?

 

[HighlandWarrior]

I'd say a monkey avatar is a vice.

I don't buy the second hand smoke causing heart attacks. talk about a small sample for a very short time 6months in Helena? isnt that the capital of montana? tiny city.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by The Last Conformist
I'd like to hear the explanation why cats would develop cancer quicker than humans. They do have a higher metabolic rate, but not enough to compensate their much lower life expectancy; do you mean to imply they've got much worse chromosomal self-repair systems?

Last, come on. A creature the size of a cat, that has less than a third the life span of human, would take much less time to develop cancer when exposed to the same detrimental environmental conditions.

@lord42: My mother doesnt smoke, she's had asthma her whole life. People smoke around her all the time. She hasnt keeled over yet. Shes not crazy about it, but she knows she isnt going to drop dead if somebody lights up a cig

 

[Maj]

Smoke rises. Cats hang around the ground.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

My asthmatic mom doesnt hang around on the ground, especially since she went on the wagon

 

[lord42]

Originally posted by Dumb pothead
My asthmatic mom doesnt hang around on the ground, especially since she went on the wagon

So I guess the fact that I could die is funny to you?
If you have that much disregard for others then you have worse problems then smokeing.. Not all asthmatics are equal you know, some people have it so bad that any smoke at all could kill them. Personally, I can tolerate it but it's very annoying. How would you like it if someone was burning tires next door to your home? I guess because the fumes aren't totally proven to be hazerdous that would be ok.

 

[Bozo Erectus]

Originally posted by lord42
So I guess the fact that I could die is funny to you?
If you have that much disregard for others then you have worse problems then smokeing.. Not all asthmatics are equal you know, some people have it so bad that any smoke at all could kill them. Personally, I can tolerate it but it's very annoying. How would you like it if someone was burning tires next door to your home? I guess because the fumes aren't totally proven to be hazerdous that would be ok.

Your own words reveal how this isnt a real issue after all. First you say you could die, then a moment later you say you can tolerate it, but its annoying. People dont die from from being annoyed. If that were true, Id drop dead every time I read the replies in this thread. Of course different people have different types of asthma. Im sure there are some asthmatics who would be more adversely affected by 2nd hand smoke. Im considerate of people with health problems and I can understand how people might find cigarette smoke annoying, what I cant stand is the dishonesty, misinformation and PC hysteria.