Sengoku: The code of honour

[scoutsout]

@fbouthil: As our host, you get to set the rules. 24/48 is fairly standard, though with players on multiple continents I would probably go relax that to a 36/48± rule if I was in your shoes... and give a player a little more than 48 hours to play if they ask for it ("I have an exam the day after tomorrow, but can play after that"...)

I would consider your last post "fair warning", and skip to the next player if he doesn't post in 24 hours.... or perhaps swap him with bed_head, since I think I left his Daimyo in position with Keich's to go after that Date city....

 

[fbouthil]

Keich has not answered so Detlef Richter, you are up. Take it from the last save. If Keich comes back, we will see if he can take back his turn.

So here are the statistics for the first round of competition:

Daimyo__________Daimyo kills__Other kills__Assassinations
Detlef Richter________0__________2____________0
fbouthil_____________1__________2____________0
bed_head7__________1__________1____________0
Scoutsout___________1__________5____________0
Keich (missing)

Daimyo Hunter: nobody, contenders: fbouthil, bed_head7, Scoutsout
Golden Katana: Scoutsout
Ninja Master: nobody
Samourai General: nobody

If I remember correctly, after Scoutsout's turn, about one half of the Date cities were conquered/destroyed. I guess Detlef Richter should destroy the rest of them and move me (and a few attacking units) toward the Hojo so I can finish them on my turn. Move Keich with me in case he can retake his turn after you.

 

[Detlef Richter]

I was out of internet yesterday. So i can say 'got it' now.

 

[Detlef Richter]

My turns:

1505 Juli: moved Oda scout to Hirosaki (to heal his wounds)
moved Oda Keich and Oda Bed_Head7 to Miyoko (for a little break)

Okt: found Honda
Oda Detlef killed 1 Date Ashigaru

Jan: Oda Detlef killed 1 Date Ashigaru
my friend Oda fbouthill killed 1 Date Daimyo and captured Morioka

Apr: Saitoen build Oracle
Hojo declared war on us after a territory bann

Jul: captured Hojo settler

Okt: nothing

1507 Jan: Oda Detlef killed 1 Date Ashigaru

Apr: Oda Detlef killed 2 Date Ashigaru

Juli: Oda Detlef killed 2 Date Ashigaru

Okt: Oda Detlef killed Date Daimyo and captured Ichinoseki

Sorry, i lost the control about my fingers. I pressed space after my last turn, but made no moves.
There is only one Date Daimyo left.

 

[fbouthil]

@Detlef Richter: Good turn! 1 daimyo and 6 other kills! Wow!

On the other hand, I see you did not understand the variant: You attacked using my daimyo and my daimyo is really far from the action! I need at least 4 turns to go to the Date or Hojo city and I can't even move my daimyo in the preturn! Oh well! I guess I deserve it since I did the same mistake for bed_head7 in the previous turn.

Since Keich is really close to the action (next to Hojo xbow) and in a much better position to take his turn, I will give him the possibility to retake his turn now, if he posts a got it in the next 24h.

Otherwise, this will be my got it and I will play tomorrow night. Of course, I will check to see if Keich has post a got it before I start playing and will post before I start playing if he does not.

 

[scoutsout]

On the other hand, I see you did not understand the variant: You attacked using my daimyo and my daimyo is really far from the action! I need at least 4 turns to go to the Date or Hojo city and I can't even move my daimyo in the preturn! Oh well! I guess I deserve it since I did the same mistake for bed_head7 in the previous turn.

That might have been a 'target of opportunity...or a situation in which an enemy Daimyo was exposed or wounded, and yours was handy... another variant rule is that enemy daimyo can only be killed by our daimyo, right?

 

[Detlef Richter]

That was exactly the situation. I bombed him down to 1 HP but my daimyo had no more movements. The Date Daimyo asked me to free his seoul. I couldn't say no.
Don't forget fbouthill, you have to kill another Date daimyo at his last town. Thats why i have not moved you to the Hojo territory. I think 10 turns are enough for Date and Hojo.

 

[fbouthil]

Ok. Keich has not made any sign of life so I guess he is a casualty of war (I guess he dropped out). Therefore, I will play right now.

If I calculate correctly, I can do the following:
- Go to the Date city in 4t, then go to Chiba (Hojo) and arrive there on turn 9 which would leave me 1t to attack it but it would leave Ashikaga (Hojo) intact.
- Go to Chiba (Hojo) in 5t and attack it. Go to Ashikaga (Hojo) on turn 7 and attack it (turn 8).

I think I could have pulled it off if I started next to the Date city but I don't see how I can do it that far from the Date city. I will go with the second option as it would put bed_head7 in a better position to attack Takeda afterward.

 

[fbouthil]

Before I start, I see that Ichinoseki has a strong chance of flipping to Takeda (2% each turn) and I cannot see what I can do about it (size 1 and CrpMapStats says I would need 47 units as garrison).

Jan 1508 (1)
I Start moving toward Chiba.
Kill Hojo xbow near Ashikaga.

IBT
another Hojo xbow appears near Ashikaga
Build a worker and a bushi
I start TGWall in Nagoya as I think we can time it so it is completed a few turns after we switch to feudalism.

Apr 1508 (2)
Kill a Date ashigaru

Jul 1508 (3)
Kill another Date ashigaru, the Hojo xbow resists to the attack of a bushi.

IBT - horseback riding -> feudalism in 6t

Oct 1508 (4)
Kill the Hojo xbow, but that slowed down my attack force toward Chiba.
We have horses near Miyako, just outside our borders.

Jan 1509 (5) - Finally, I get my first kill losing 1hp!

Apr 1509 (6) - Kill 2 ashigaru using bushis and decide to save my daimyo for enemy daimyo.

Jul 1509 (7) - I see that there are a lot of ashigaru in Chiba! I kill 1 ashigaru with bushi, lose 1 bushi. Since I am running out of bushi, I decide to kill the xbow myself getting a MGL. There is still 2 ashigarus, those wounded by bombardment.

I stop here for now as I do not know what to do with the MGL. I am also in a situation where I do not believe I can finish the Hojo before the end of my turn. After my attack on turn 7, my attack force contains the following:

2 bushi (2/4), one has not attacked this turn.
1 catapult
1 stone xbow (4/4)
Daimyo Oda fbouthil (3/5)

On turn 10, I will have 2 more bushis (and Daimyo Oda Detlef Richter) ready to attack Chiba.

So, what should we do with the MGL?
Any suggestions about how to get Chiba faster? Should I risk the wounded bushis & attack with the xbow instead of bombarding?
Should I bring bed_head7 next to Hojo territory as I cannot even finish them?

Note that the 3 other daimyos are next to the Date city ready to attack it, but I am too stubburn to break the variant and attack with them. I was actually positioning bed_head7 to attack him on his preturn (I thought I could finish the Hojos on my turns).

I will finish playing tomorrow night.

 

[bed_head7]

Wow, I cannot believe you are already a samurai general when I am not even a veteran yet.

 

[fbouthil]

Yes, luck was on my side for that. On the other hand, I lost 2 bushis to units with a defense of 1. Civ3calculator says they should win 92% when fortified & 95% when not and the xbow I attacked was not fortified. To be fair, I should have realized earlier that I would not be able to conquer Chiba, RNG is not the only one to blame.

I also read somewhere that units in a city given in a peace treaty are sent to the new capital. Since the 2 cities we received from Hojo had a Daimyo & 2 ashigaru each, I should have realized at the start that they had at least 3 daimyos & 6 ashigarus from the start. Now, I guess it leaves about 2 ashigarus & 3 daimyos in there. Since my daimyo is wounded (3/5), I guess I won't even conquer a single city!

At least the defenses should be down for bed_head7 to get the remaining daimyos.

 

[bed_head7]

And hopefully, I will finally be able to get a vet. And I'll apologize sort of for your pour rng with bushis. Where my daimyo failed to ever win flawlessly, even against ashigarus, I had a bushi win three straight without losing a single hp, and the odds of that are pretty low too.

 

[scoutsout]

...digging myself out of the mess down here... and trying to get back in synch with my SG....

...and then I hit this one, and WOOHOO!!! We got a MGL!!! [dance]

....and how fitting it is that our fearless leader should be the one to get it.

My advice, build a dadgum ARMY... with the best unit we've got... which I think is Bushi.... Unless there's a Bushi upgrade right around the corner... but a Bushi ARMY could keep up with Daimyo, and empty garrisons of defenders to the point that our Daimyo will only have to attack enemy Daimyo.

We are on the verge of a serious rampage here. This is going to be fun.

 

[fbouthil]

I usually build a FP with the first MGL I get, but since there are no FP in this scenario and I do not find the small wonders we can build very usefull, I will go with Scoutsout suggestion and make a bushi army.

Jul 1509 (7)
I move our MGL Akechi Mutsuhide (wasn't he the traitor who turned back on Oda Nobunaga historically? ) to the nearest city to make an army and put 2 bushis in it immediately. I am tempted to put myself in the army, but decide not to as it would mean I cannot be upgraded anymore although it would also mean my attacks would be much safer. I load one of the wounded bushis instead.

For bed_head7 position, I see that either I keep bed_head7 next to Date and he would kill Date, but may lack a few turns to finish Hojo. If I move him to Hojo border, I am fairly sure he can finish them, but would not be able to finish Date unless he does not need any turn to recuperate from wounds. I go with the second option as I prefer we finish Hojo than Date.

Oct 1509 (8)
Bushi army kills 2 ashigarus, promoting one of his bushi to grandmaster.
Bombardment shows me there is at least 2 more ashigarus in Chiba.

Jan 1510 (9)
Bushi army kills the last 2 ashigarus.
I kill a Hojo daimyo without getting a single extra scratch.

IBT
The Shimazu have been destroyed!
Feudalism -> Calligraphy
Revolution! Got 6 turns of anarchy.
Tsuchiuru riots.

Apr 1510 (10)
Kill a Date ashigaru
Founded Tokai in a hole between our cities.
I kill another Hojo daimyo but have only one HP left! ouch! I leave the last one in Chiba to bed_head7.
Move the bushi army outside Hojo territory for healing. Also closer to Ashikaga.

I got a total of 2 daimyo kills plus 2 other kills.

bed_head7 is in a good position to finish the Hojo. If he feels like taking risks, he could even try to finish Date also, but that would probably mean attacking the daimyo in Ashikaga without the catapult & stone xbow for bombardment. A bit risky since he is a regular.

You can switch TGWall to Sun Tzu if you prefer. Once we are in Feudalism, you should consider switching production as you see fit in many cities because they will be much more productive than before.

You may also consider moving some or all the units near Ichinoseki to the Date city in preparation for the Takeda war.

 

[bed_head7]

Will play this one tomorrow.

 

[fbouthil]

So bed_head7, how is the game going? You did say you would play yesterday...

BTW, Keich last activity on CFC was on sept 1. We can assume he has dropped out, which means we have an extra daimyo. If someone loose his daimyo, use Keich's instead. Anyway, we should get ronin soon (2 techs away from it), so loosing a few daimyos won't be much of a problem anymore.

 

[bed_head7]

Sorry, should have checked in before. I overestimated my condition when I posted that last. I had my wisdom teeth pulled on the eighth, was feeling pretty good the day after and expected continue feeling better. Not the case, so I am still on Vikadin which I do no not handle well. Short bursts of concentration are about all I can handle. But I am going to to try going without tomorrow, so I should post an update then.

 

[fbouthil]

Hopefully, you did not loose any wisdom with your wisdom teeth.

Hope you feel better soon. I hope you do not feel as bad as he does:

 

[bed_head7]

Hopefully, you did not loose any wisdom with your wisdom teeth.

Hope you feel better soon. I hope you do not feel as bad as he does:

Well, haven't done any of that since a few hours after getting them out.

 

[bed_head7]

Apr., 1510 AD (131) - One extra turn, so I may play nine depending upon the situation.

Jul., 1510 AD (132) - Bombarded Hojo Daimyo, and Chiba captured. Still no promotion.

Oct., 1510 AD (133) - Position to finish the Hojo.

Jan., 1511 AD (134) - Well, good bye Hojo. Army kills two Ashigaru. Bushi kills one Ashigaru flawlessly. Still an Ashigaru showing. I decide to take advantagage of the blitz ability, and my Daimyo kills another Ashigaru. Of course, I take damage and refuse to promote, but now the Daimyo shows. Bombard down to one hp, so it is is five attack against two defense, two hp against one. I give it a shot, and I win. And promote!

Apr., 1511 AD (135) - Moving towards Date

Jul., 1511 AD (136) - Still in anarchy

Oct., 1511 AD (137) - We are finally a Fuedalism.

Jan., 1512 AD (138) - Somehow the Saito pick up two techs ahead of us and a load of gold. I am guessing they know someone.

Apr., 1512 AD (139) - Date destroyed.

Jul., 1512 AD (140) - Well, the Saito are just shooting ahead in tech, with Calligraphy and two of the -jutsus. They also finished the Great Wall, so I switched to Sun Tzu's though that can be changed. Daimyo Oda scoutsout should be able to quickly kill some Daimyos if he so chooses, now fortified outside of Takeda territory, near Joetsu. I considered putting them on the mountain so they could attack one turn sooner, but you could move them to the mountain now if you want, and I preferred to leave them on a road. Also, the catapults can't go on the mountain. I guess that is it.

We ought to figure out what to do with Kiech, who I left with scoutsout. fbouthil is also with scoutsout, so he should be well protected. Detlef and I are resting in Handa.

Final unit kill for me was three Daimyo and one Ashigaru.