SGOTM 08 - XTeam

should we be worried about culture pressure from Prague flipping Aachen? That would be my only concern about quick capitulation of HRE.
I'm a bit confused on this with :bts:? Will the software give one of your cities to an AI due to culture pressure? I have been asked many times if I would allow a city to "rightfully" join another empire but cannot think of an instance where it it took my city and gave it away as it did in Vanilla or Warlords? :crazyeye:
 
No thoughts regarding research after MM?
If we do not think we need Military Science, then Banking would seem logical as we need to build six Banks (1200 Hammers) to build Wall Street.

Another question is whether we will go for Red Cross, as that requires six Hospitals at 200 hammers each.

Oh, almost forgot, Versailles has not been built yet either. Do we need to research Divine Right?
 
"Oh, almost forgot, Versailles has not been built yet either. Do we need to research Divine Right?" Gandhi could be building it. Let's not start Versailles until we take a look at what G's building or decide that we can't afford to. So, now planning to go with Banking next, but that's just one turn. What next?
 
If we do not think we need Military Science, then Banking would seem logical as we need to build six Banks (1200 Hammers) to build Wall Street.

Yes, if Boudica wont trade Banking, we'll have to do it ourselves soon.

Another question is whether we will go for Red Cross, as that requires six Hospitals at 200 hammers each.

If we can get another GM from X-ville, researching Medicine AND Refrigeration seems like the way to go. Can we change one coastal tile to a Merchant in X-ville so we can get a GP faster there.

Oh, almost forgot, Versailles has not been built yet either. Do we need to research Divine Right?

We might be able to get Versailles, or if not Versailles then DR, from Gandhi.

Gandhi could be building it. Let's not start Versailles until we take a look at what G's building or decide that we can't afford to. So, now planning to go with Banking next, but that's just one turn. What next?

Isn't that 4 more turns away. You could stop there.
 
If we can get another GM from X-ville, researching Medicine AND Refrigeration seems like the way to go. Can we change one coastal tile to a Merchant in X-ville so we can get a GP faster there.
I think this is a possibility. Nice catch.

Before I forget, what was that quest we got a long time ago and when does it expire? Didn't we need to settle on 10 land masses, or something like that, to get a Great Prophet? If Gandhi doesn't build the Islamic Holy Shrine soon, then we will have to gear up for that too. Probably the least of our problems atm... :rolleyes:
 
I think this is a possibility. Nice catch.

Before I forget, what was that quest we got a long time ago and when does it expire? Didn't we need to settle on 10 land masses, or something like that, to get a Great Prophet? If Gandhi doesn't build the Islamic Holy Shrine soon, then we will have to gear up for that too. Probably the least of our problems atm... :rolleyes:

Blessed Sea: Get cities on 10 landmasses and get a free Prophet. Expires at Industrialism. We have cities on 4 landmasses now. India has 2 island cities. There are a couple barb cities on islands. There are plenty of other islands around our continent where we could rush a few settlers a few turns before the end and chain the Prophet from X-ville to the Islam holy city.
 
Blessed Sea, right.

If we are going for other than domination, just don't want to forget, unless Gandhi builds the shrine, of course...

:thanx:
 
A couple things I noticed from looking at the save:

1. We can demand dyes from Boudica.

2. Lisbon and Guimaraes don't have Confucianism, so we should build missionaries for them when we go back to OR.

3. Bibracte is going to lose several population without a lighthouse.
 
Yes, if Boudica wont trade Banking, we'll have to do it ourselves soon. Banking, then Economics, then Medicine?

If we can get another GM from X-ville, researching Medicine AND Refrigeration seems like the way to go. Can we change one coastal tile to a Merchant in X-ville so we can get a GP faster there. Will do, but when we get out of Pacfism, it will go slowly.

We might be able to get Versailles, or if not Versailles then DR, from Gandhi. Will wait.

Isn't that 4 more turns away. You could stop there.

Lths in Bibracte and will try to get dyes.

Playing now, but will check back. Probably stop at 195.
 
:clap: Got through the set CP! :goodjob:

I agree that we should look at developing a plan to close this out! :thumbsup:

Roster:
leif - UP
ShannonCT - On Deck
Cactus Pete
- just played!
rrau - If you feel up to taking a set, please let us know and I'll slot you as UP.

Mad Professor - Checking in and wishing for Delhi. :mischief:
Frederiksberg - Keeping us on the straight and narrow. :goodjob:
Jimmy Thunder - On Sabbatical :health:
Gator - Still there? :scan:
Killercane - Retired. :coffee:

How do you select which Great People will be consumed when you start a Golden Age. Looks to me as though we should use the Great Spy and the Great Merchant. I've never done this before... :blush:
 
I had a look at the save.

Well done on the captures of Nuremburg and Florence. Prague will fall next turn. Charlemagne wont talk to us now. The XML says there is an 8 turn delay after declaration of war before he will talk to us, but I've found that this can be overridden by capturing enough cities. Capturing Prague might just do the trick. I think it might be best to let Charlemagne keep cities like Pisa and Ulm so we have a buffer against Greece and Rome. When we declare war on Greece/Rome, we can gift all of our vassals all of our military techs so they don't start losing cities.

It looks like CP has started moving troops in position to declare on Gandhi. :goodjob: Airships stationed in Pisa would be in range of Delhi. Airships stationed in Tolosa, Vermalion, and Roman cities can reach other Indian cities. Gandhi should be ours by the end of the next turnset.

I see a Great Engineer was born in Cumae (Augustus). It would be nice if Augustus would build another wonder for us. He might research DR and build Versailles. Or we could research it for him and give it to him. Or we could research Constitution and Democracy and gift him those so he could build the Statue of Liberty.

I think it may soon be time to convert X-ville's towns to workshops and build the UN there. We're going to need X-ville to build either the UN or Hollywood. Ulundi can do the other. Since Ulundi still needs to finish IW and R&R, UN in X-ville sounds like the best option.

How do you select which Great People will be consumed when you start a Golden Age. Looks to me as though we should use the Great Spy and the Great Merchant. I've never done this before... :blush:

I wonder if we need to put them on the same tile and join them together before hitting the GA button. We don't want to use the Artist for a GA. Otherwise, maybe we need to research Corp and found Jewelers before setting off the GA.
 
I wonder if we need to put them on the same tile and join them together before hitting the GA button. We don't want to use the Artist for a GA. Otherwise, maybe we need to research Corp and found Jewelers before setting off the GA.
I did some testing of this.
The game seems to use the second Great Person that is closest (in distance by number of tiles) to the one you use to start the Golden Age. When I placed the Great Merchant in the same city with the Great Spy, it consistently uses those two and leaves the Artist.
EDIT - It also works when the Great Merchant is on a tile near the Great Spy, that is why I concluded that it uses the other Great Person closest to the one you start the GA with. :crazyeye:

Not sure I understand why, but it seems to work! :D
EDIT2 - Would be good if someone could confirm this theory. :xmascheers:
 
Sorry for the delay . . .

SGOTM08 REPORT FOR TURNS 193 - 195

Continued to make less than optimal progress. Lost too many unit -- probably too aggressive and rng a bit unkind. Here are the highlights, sparing the details:

IBT: Hinduism spreads to Bibracte; Gandhi completes Minaret (in Delhi)

193: Find 3 longbows, axe, HA, and chariot in Hun; spy reports Mediolanum defended by 2 longbows, pike, and axe;

IBT: Accept Boudica’s offer of silk for rice; Caesar offers to trade world maps, but buy his for 5 gold instead; GProphet born in Delhi (going to try to keep an eye on him)

194: Florence and Nuremburg fall; Charles will capitulate, but want to take Prague first; switch to OR

IBT: MM > Banking; Charlemagne’s mace destroys our airship that I based in a Roman city. (Didn’t know he could do that. So much for keeping an eye on the GP.); GM born in Marbleville; GE born in Cumae

195
: Tried unsuccessfully to take Prague (getting to be a recurring theme), loosing two cuirs and putting two more in great jeopardy; spy reports 2 longbows in Circei; GPriest is no longer in Delhi, but wasn’t able to track him


NOTES​

We need to assess what wonders the AI, especially Caesar with his GE, can build or will be able to build before we have built them.

Suggest turn sets be reduced to five turns, as there are a great many individual units to move and it should not be done en masse, since there is the constant danger of attack by siege weapons (requiring dispersal) and counterattacks with 6-tile-move units (requiring counterattack routes be covered or destroyed).

If ‘back-door’ Diplo is still an option, would appreciate a briefing on just how that works.

Think we need to at least consider attacking Caesar/Pericles before Gandhi.

Is it now possible to predict with close approximation how many more turns it will take to complete all the wonders we want to build. My sense is that this will be later than possible Conquest. And therefore we may want to consider building fewer wonders,
 
I had a look at the save.

Charlemagne wont talk to us now. Interesting. He was willing to negotiate ealier, which surprised me. The XML says there is an 8 turn delay after declaration of war before he will talk to us, but I've found that this can be overridden by capturing enough cities. Capturing Prague might just do the trick. I think it might be best to let Charlemagne keep cities like Pisa and Ulm so we have a buffer against Greece and Rome. That was my thinking too. I only moved units toward those cities in desperate hope that the threats might induce Charles to not send his HAs after our two helpless cuirs. When we declare war on Greece/Rome, we can gift all of our vassals all of our military techs so they don't start losing cities. Good idea.

It looks like CP has started moving troops in position to declare on Gandhi. :goodjob: That is what I was doing, but the birth of a GP might argue against that if he is indeed being sent toward Hun. Airships stationed in Pisa would be in range of Delhi. Airships stationed in Tolosa, Vermalion, and Roman cities can reach other Indian cities. Gandhi should be ours by the end of the next turnset.

I see a Great Engineer was born in Cumae (Augustus). It would be nice if Augustus would build another wonder for us. He might research DR and build Versailles. Or we could research it for him and give it to him. Or we could research Constitution and Democracy and gift him those so he could build the Statue of Liberty. You're seeing the glass as half full. I'm seeing it as half empty, in that there is now greater uncertainty as to what cities we will need to conquer when and what wonders to build or delay building.

I think it may soon be time to convert X-ville's towns to workshops and build the UN there. We're going to need X-ville to build either the UN or Hollywood. Ulundi can do the other. Since Ulundi still needs to finish IW and R&R, UN in X-ville sounds like the best option. Agree, the time seems right, though it would be nice to see what kind of forces Pericles can marshall before shutting off unit production in those two cities.

I wonder if we need to put them on the same tile and join them together before hitting the GA button. We don't want to use the Artist for a GA. Otherwise, maybe we need to research Corp and found Jewelers before setting off the GA.
No experience with this to offer.
 
My testing confirms leif's findings on great people selected for a golden age.

How Dilpo victory works:
1. Build the UN, and at the beginning of the next turn, there will be a vote for secretary.
2. Every 6th turn after that vote, the secretary proposes a resolution.
3. Vassals always vote the same as the master.
4. Number of votes of each civ equals the total population of their cities.
5. Victory requires 62% of the vote.


If we don't see Gandhi's Prophet next turn, he probably settled it. He has open borders with everyone. If so, we need to make plans to complete Blessed Sea.

The only wonder Aufustus could conceivably build without our help is Versailles. Other techs are too far away.
 
My testing confirms leif's findings on great people selected for a golden age.

How Dilpo victory works:
1. Build the UN, and at the beginning of the next turn, there will be a vote for secretary.
2. Every 6th turn after that vote, the secretary proposes a resolution.
3. Vassals always vote the same as the master.
4. Number of votes of each civ equals the total population of their cities. So, unlike for Dom'n, vassal contribution toward needed population is 100% (rather than 50% of land area)?
5. Victory requires 62% of the vote. Is there a problem of ending the game some 6th turn before you want to?


If we don't see Gandhi's Prophet next turn, he probably settled it. He has open borders with everyone. If so, we need to make plans to complete Blessed Sea. Yes, and probably should look 12 tiles from Delhi.

The only wonder Aufustus could conceivably build without our help is Versailles. Other techs are too far away.
Good news. Then whichever civ we fight next, we (or they, or a non-vassal third party) need to get Versailles built before we accept capitulation from them.
 
Just completed an update of the Wonder Spreadsheet. The Summary follows:

Wonders in foreign lands.
Rome:
The Great Wall - location unknown but suspect Rome, Cumae or Antium
Angor Wat - Antium
Apostolic Palace - Rome
University of Sankore - Cumae

India:
Stonehenge - Delhi
The Temple of Solomon - Delhi
The Kashi Vishwanath - Delhi
The Parthenon - Delhi
The Hagia Sophia - Delhi
Chichen Itza - Delhi
The Spiral Minaret - Delhi
Notre Dame - Delhi
The Statue of Zeus - Delhi
The Church of the Nativity - Vijayanagara

Wonders under construction by us:
Globe Theater - due in 10 turns in Canalville
West Point - due in 5 turns in Oporto
Ironworks - due in 5 turns in Ulundi
The Kremlin - due in 8 turns in Guimaraes
Broadway - due in 17 turns in Lisbon
The Eiffel Tower - due in 7 turns in Braga
Cristo Redentor - due in 9 turns in Furville
Forbidden Palace - due in 9 turns in Coimbra

Wonder yet to be constructed:
Versailles
Wall Street
National Park
Red Cross
Rock 'n Roll
The United Nations

Wonders that we will probably not build:
The Statue of Liberty
The Pentagon
Mount Rushmore
Three Gorges Dam

Religious Shrines yet to be built:
The Masjid al-Haram - eligible to be built in Hun

All the other wonders have been built by us or are too far up the tech tree to consider.

Did I miss anything? ;)
 
Just spent some time staring at the map. I was thinking of who to attack when? To open the discussion:

From a perspective of the movement of units, it would seem logical to tackle Gandhi first as this would put our units to the south of Rome and nearest where we need to hit Augustus, the fertile triangle of Rome, Antium and Cumae.

The question is whether our declaration will frighten Pericles into breaking his vassal agreement or not. Should we have to go for conquest, this order places our units nearer to Pericles and avoids a march from India to Greece.
 
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