SGOTM 13 - TNT thread

[fizbankovi]

i would like to use our great people to turn on a golden age, and change to vassalage and theochracy...

 

[fizbankovi]

i am planing to get a lot more workers, to road and chop

 

[fizbankovi]

ok, teochracy doesnt seem like a good idea. im holding off with the golden age idea.

 

[fizbankovi]

my plan is to research astro, and build up military EVERYWHERE. Upgare some galleons. and set up the troop route like this:

 

[2metraninja]

I think a GA is needed - we could be able to caste- slave another GP and launch another GA right after, as we have 2 Great Persons at this moment.

Or maybe we should first finish the Mausoleum? If we are able.

 

[dima42]

What are the great persons? I don't think we want to extensively use scientists/artists on golden ages, since they have clear other uses. It might even be worth to do the revolt back without a GP.

 

[2metraninja]

Great Prophet and an Artist.

 

[2metraninja]

OK, I have to ask - I see this for second or third time - for what we need a Great Artist in this particular game except for culture bombing some place with a lot of unclaimed land and thus increasing our territory in one turn?

 

[fizbankovi]

ok i played 7 turns sofar
Plans:
Wip+: Use Slaver overflow
Mil: used for military buildup
C+: emphasize commerce
H+: emphasize hammers
F+ : food
Wel: only used to manage upkeep. (whipping of multiplier buildings when needed)

1. Tours: Wel, market
2. Marseilies: wip+, mil, F+, H+
3. Lens: wip+, mil, C+, F+, get a worker
4. Nidaros: mil, C+, F+, H+
5. Chartes: Wel, C+, F+, H+ no whipping
6. Upsala: Court and Lighthouse, then wip+, mil, H+, F+,
7. Birka: courthouse then mil, F+, H+ no whipping
8. Bjorgovin:culture then courthouse then fishing boat, then wip+, mil, C+, F+,
9. Jelling: buildup
10. Hauithaubu: culture ande courthouse
11. Roskilde: buildup
12. Elba: use military overflow to get globe theather F+
13. Corsica: hand build heroic epic. Settle the generals here. mil, H+, F+,
14. Orleans: theater, rax wip+, mil, F+,
15. Lyons: wel
16. Rheims: wip+, mil, F+,
17. Paris: wip+, mil, F+, (3 food whips possible)
Turnset report

turn 0: begged 140 gold off of Jao
set some: changed some city cues
Traded spicies for 11 gold to spain
Ofc the game bugged me again, somehow the spice trade was made 2x….
Turn 1
Barb galley appeared
Turn 2
Galley dead
Tried to beg from Wilhelm, didn’t work.
2 Whipped in elba
3 Whipped in Rheims
2 whiped lens
1 whiped courthouse upsula
Turn 3
2 whiped Orleans
3 whiped paris
Turn 4
Astronomy in research to 0 and set on paper
Started whipping galleons
Turn 5
First galleons out, upgraded first galleon
Vote to take away city from dutch
Turn 6
Barb galley at east coming
Vote to give city fails
Was stupid and forgot to trade astro to jao for gold. Now he has it anyway
We need more boats, more boats in place, only reason I’m not attacking yet.
2 whip heroic epic Corsica
Turn 7
Ferrying stuff around, getting ready to attack.

Turn 8
Spain wants us to go Buddhist, I refuse
Turn 9
Ferrying stoped whipping mostly
Turn before attack
Gave philosophy to spain for 470 gold.
Gave astronomy to vitroia for paper and gold and map.
Go to education, turn slider to 100%
Turn 10
Nobody has education yet, that’s good
Declared on issi
Turn 11
Took cordoba, gunned the Ga with the artist, revolted to vassalage, teochracy, and conf.

I will play on tommorow

 

[fizbankovi]

turnset report 2

Victroia made peace with spain.. didn’t notice this before…
Turn 12
Izi suicide 2 catapults on our stack at Madrid
Willem got printing press
Bombarded Madrid to 0%
Izi reinforced Madrid with catapults, longbows and crossbows
Astronomy obsolete the colossus 
Had research at 0% for one turn to get some cash
Turn 13
Izi suicide 2 more catapults, and killed 1 mace with a crossbow. That was defending at cordoba. She could have taken it next turn, if I didn’t reinforce it with some archers. Which I did.
I unloaded a fresh batch of troops. Madrid is on hill with longbows, trebs have 1,79% to attack, I wait till next turn to kill
I just checked and maousoleum was already built by the dutch
Turn 14
Izi attacked with a war elefant and a crossbow and won both times!!! She had 20% and 63% odds
I set elba to great person mode
I start attacking now
1st treb Odds :2,98 loss
2ndtreb Odds :25,17 loss
3rdtreb Odds :10 loss
4thtreb Odds: 44 loss
5th treb Odds: 62,79 loss
6th treb Odds: 65 win
7-8-9-10 treb win
2 catapults 1 loss 1 win
Izzi gets a great general
Mace 1-2-3-4 Win
Pikemen Win
Axe win
Catapult win
Mace 5-6-7-8- win
Our power goes from 1,3 to 1,4 to izi
I have 2 more very red maces to attack, and izzi has 1 more defender, but I fear she could counteratack..
Turn 15
The stupid caravel in Madrid kills my blockading trireme, while 5 galleons watch….
No reinforcement in madrid.
I take Madrid with a mace
I snipe the great general, on his way to Barcelona with some units from a galleon.
0 percent research again
Turn 16
A blockading galleon was killed by a caravel.. 21% percent odds…
My crossbow killed a macemen
Spy was cought
Catherine got paper
Unloaded near Barcelona
Turn 17
Vote to give dutc city to cathrine, yes
Bombarded barcelone to 0
Attack:
1st treb Odds :32 win
2ndtreb Odds :9,8 loss
Mace odds 83 Win
Catapult: odds 10 loss
3rdtreb: odds 60 loss 
Mace ods 85 win
Pike odds 87 win
Elephant 72 win!
xBOW odds: 94 Win
city is ours. Reat general moves in and makes superhealer xbow
galleon kills a galley in pond
Victoria got guilds! Yes
Next turn great person in elba, we have 35% chance that it’s a stupid prophet  my fail.
We are at 1,8 power of spain
Turn 18
We kill barb galley
Elba: great prophet.. ffs
We could single or dubble bulb divine right for trade bait, or something. Im sorry. Did my best to avoid this.
Healing in barcelone 0% research
Portugese will hace edu in 2 just like us
Turn 19
Water suplly poisoned
Steal healing
Turn 20
I switched out of confu and teochracy, because it only cost us 4 gold/turn and didn’t give anything
Switched to lib and set to 0%
Jao got edu, and spain has astro
Turn 21
Took Santiago
Lost 1 treb and 1 mace (died at 95%)
Portugease are reasearching guilds.
Turn 22
Well.. unlucky as hell, lost a galleon with 3 fresh troops, against galleon of spain at 50% made a bad move at end of turn, and couldn’t unload…
Turn 23
Galleon wars, sevile bombarded, unloaded at Toledo.
Turn 24
2 catapults suicide at me at Seville

Took Seville and Toledo.

That’s 5 cities in 14 turns. + I0 turns to set it up. hope it went well. Lot of decisions to make!

Our treasury is full, and we can research whatever we want.
We can if we want to trade for printing press from the dutch.

 

[fizbankovi]

i want to give viktoria astronomy for paper and her map..

give me an okey for this.

 

[fizbankovi]

1 turn before attacking spain

 

[fizbankovi]

editied my turnset report, got too 11 turns, and will steamroll spain. will work on it tommorow

 

[fizbankovi]

we are also on the best way to win liberalism,

 

[2metraninja]

will steamroll spain

Just make sure you see where her main stack is and what it consists of. Dont allow to be catch with pants down. Defend if need be and just after destroying her main stack continue to advance.

 

[2metraninja]

gunned the Ga with the artist

I would have preferred the Prophet as he is absolutely useless to us right now, but I dont see better use for the Artist too, so it does not matter too much.

we are also on the best way to win liberalism

Shall we need it? We have to decide whether we continue to tech or concentrate on hitting domination with Spain, England and Russia + some settlers waiting for the right time.

 

[dima42]

Metra, just the culture bombing at the end of the game that you mentioned. This can typically save ~5 turns, which is more than the 1 turn of disorder from switching civics.

 

[2metraninja]

Well, this can be achieved by settling 3 settlers or so. I still think we should have used the Prophet, so we can use the Artist for bombing too, but it is already done.

I still want we to use settlers waiting to be settled while near domination limit. I have done this with good success few times in my games.

[off-topic]I have seen one game, where the idea was to settle as many cities as possible till 1 AD. One of the guys have settled 32 or something cities in one turn to avoid paying maintenance. It was impressive.

 

[2metraninja]

On other hand (and just for the sake of the creative discussion):

This can typically save ~5 turns, which is more than the 1 turn of disorder from switching civics.

Yes, 5>1 , but things are not as simple as that. In our case we would have needed 2 or 3 turns for switching 2 civics and adopting religion. Also, imagine the impact on our economics, army building and overall from the GA. This can well override the 5 turns bombing will save us at the end. Also, the bombing have to be done with perfect timing, because at least I usually hit the domination limit without even wanting this - no matter if I am aiming for conquest or just trying to get better score by growing up few more turns

 

[fizbankovi]

i took the artist, becouse i think the next great persons hould do the 2 person Ga with the prophet. to minimize the risk of haveing 2 of the same great persons...

goshdarn

*at this point i relized i messed up and should have used the prophet*