SGOTM 14 - Xteam

Htadus · Nov 23, 2011

Mad Professor said:
In our case in this game we're not actually completing against the AI, but against the other teams, so advancing the AI in our game has potential (hopefully) to advance us further and hopefully increase the pace at which we finish the game and so give us a better chance of finishing ahead of the other teams. I think!

Now that we are certain the Oz is reachable with Galleon, i am certain advancing up the tech ladder is the wrong path. One of the teams that were posting saves has stopped and their last graph is telling that they may be done. The race is for us against others for 3rd or 4th spot and I would like to make it 3rd. Our power is not high and that concerns me.

These good teams know that once you have 100-200 cuiras, the whole economy can go to hell since only one unit per turn is disbanded and as long as you take cities there is hope to finish the game sooner with continual strikes. We really have all the unit types we need to finish the game. This is why I have been pushing for Police state and slavary for a long time.

leif erikson · Nov 23, 2011

Htadus said:
These good teams know that once you have 100-200 cuiras, the whole economy can go to hell since only one unit per turn is disbanded and as long as you take cities there is hope to finish the game sooner with continual strikes. We really have all the unit types we need to finish the game. This is why I have been pushing for Police state and slavary for a long time.

Seeing the AI leaders without Gunpowder at this stage leads me to the same conclusion as Htadus. Steel will cement it for us if we can move quickly and get to the other AI before they get to Mil Trad or Rifles.

I'm thinking we need another Army to head for Zulu land! :hammer:

Going to have to :whipped:

it.

Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

I'm about to start playing again. Will post again when I'm done with report like yesterday.

Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

Three turns in nearly two hours and now I'm tired. That means mistakes if I keep going so I'm going to bed instead. In those three turns we've taken Ujjain, Lodose, Bangalore and Hyderabad, and got half way to Steel. Oh, and if we were conducting elections we'd be out on our ears in the biggest landslide in history - the people are not happy campers. Killing off India will help a lot in that I hope.

I'll continue in the morning - say in about 11 hours from now. Perhaps another three or four turns will see India dead and another Viking city as well and the death of India will be a good time for me to hand it over. I'll post a full report then.

Htadus · Nov 24, 2011

Mad Professor said:
Three turns in nearly two hours and now I'm tired. That means mistakes if I keep going so I'm going to bed instead. In those three turns we've taken Ujjain, Lodose, Bangalore and Hyderabad, and got half way to Steel. Oh, and if we were conducting elections we'd be out on our ears in the biggest landslide in history - the people are not happy campers. Killing off India will help a lot in that I hope.

I'll continue in the morning - say in about 11 hours from now. Perhaps another three or four turns will see India dead and another Viking city as well and the death of India will be a good time for me to hand it over. I'll post a full report then.

You are a better man than I MP. I would have said 1 more turn untill I say ooops.

This is awsome, 3 turns and 4 cities.

Cactus Pete · Nov 24, 2011

Appreciate the good effort and results, MP. Concur we need to wipe out India to reduce social unrest.

How are we doing with another GP?

leif erikson · Nov 24, 2011

Nice work MP. :goodjob:

Keep taking those cities. :hammer:

Continued good luck. :haka: :banana:

Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

Cactus Pete said:
Appreciate the good effort and results, MP. Concur we need to wipe out India to reduce social unrest.

How are we doing with another GP?

I decided to try for a non-scientist in NK, despite the lower chances. The reason I chose this is because the GP in Harappan was 25 turns away and I knew that with increasing unhappies, that would slow further (As it has done already in three turns). I figured, waiting 30 turns for a GP was not worth the wait - we needed it sooner than than or not at all for another golden age. Hence I decided to go with CP's suggestion to crank it out of NK - I put on an engineer and about four merchants and it was five turns when I started those last three turns. I think it's down to two turns now despite growing unhappies even in NK. The percentage for a scientist should be down to around 70% by the time the GP comes. If we get lucky we get the GA, if not we work out what to do with two scientists, but I figured that couldn't be worse than waiting 30 turns for a GP.

Hence we are now about two turns from a GP, which will be about 70% scientist, 18% engineer, 12% merchant I would guess by the time it comes.

I also had a disappointment right in the first turn as I immediately finished the fort south of Ayodhya and realised the boats wouldn't go through it. It was then I remembered that forts have to be within your cultural boundaries for ships to use them as canals! :rolleyes:

At that stage Ayodhya still had four turns to go in rioting and therefore it was four turns until the canal could be used so I was annoyed, but after that, things have gone well with four cities falling in three turns. I figured the units at Ayodhya could walk to Patiliputra just as well as sit in Ayodhya doing nothing for four turns, so they are now doing that. I hope to take Lahore with the help of galleons with the forces which have just taken Hyderabad - I was able to rush pretty much straight to Hyderabad with Currasiers after taking Bangalore, because there wasn't a big stack defending it. Anyhow - more details about that when I write my report and give you my BUFFY log later.

I should be able play some more turns in about an hour or so. I'll see how far I get - at least I will go the two turns to when the GP is available, and if I'm enthusiastic I might go another couple of turns after that to the complete destruction of India. Then again if I want to consult about what to do with the GP's I might just upload the save. Either way I'll put a full report here.

Edit: I'll start playing again shortly

Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

OK another two seemingly endless turns, another two cities captured (Tonsberg and Pataliputra), a lucky GA,

and we need to make some decisions about civics because the empire is ravaged by the non-physical effects of war the economy is laboring and the people are very annoyed. In all though, the last five turns have yielded six cities, and we have hammered Raggie stacks repeatedly as well. His power is surely dropping fast. :hammer:

We can swap to Police State now (Several happies in most cities from reduction of WW), and a switch to slavery at the same time would allow us to whip some unhappy faces away. We should also consider the merits of vassalage/free religion versus our current theocracy/nationalism. I think drafting has run its course for us now and the new combination would give us an extra happy for free religion with the same +2 experience points, except coming from vassalage. Hopefully the cheaper free religion (compared to theocracy) and the free units of vassalage would offset the more expensive maintenance of vassalage

Anyhow here is a full report:

Last night I resumed at T197, 1370AD
Change Harappan scientists to merchants
Cut production in NK, and put on specialists for GP in five turns. I explained my reasons for this in a previous post
Get 1,500 gold for trade mission to Ulundi
Upgrade CR3 mace to gren in Ayodhya
We can get about half way to steel before the money runs out

Finish fort south of Ayodhya
Discover the ships cant use it, and then remember that the fort has to be within cultural borders for that Ayodhya has another four turns of rioting yet before the fort will be within our borders. :mad:

Decide the units in Ayodhya might as well walk to Pataliputra in the next four turns instead of loafing in Ayodhya :rolleyes:

Advance on Ujjain
Draft in Chicago, Hastings, London

IBT
Indian revolt takes place in Bombay :sad:

T198 1380AD
Bombard Ujjain to 5%
Attack with treb and win
Lose a Currasier in a 95% battle
Win the next four battles, Ujjain is ours, plus 4 more workers
Now we have enough espionage to see Zulu and Mali demographics. We are more powerful than them. Onwards! :mwaha:

Start staging troops to attack Lodose
Kill Indian mace near Ayodhya
Kill 2 Indian explorers near Agra
Sink Indian caravel near Bangalore
Bombard Bangalore to 14% (next turn we can move in)
WW now very painful :eek:

Draft in Boston were running out of places we can draft units now the use of nationalism is fading

IBT
Gandhi comes asking to trade map for map, I refuse

T199 1390AD
Mansa/Shaka have Military Tradition!
Bombard Bangalore to 2%
Attack with cat and treb, losing both before winning with a treb
Kill eight more defenders in Bangalore, the city is ours
Steal 2 workers south of Bangalore
Bombard Hyderabad with Frigate
Advance Currasiers on Hyderabad
Upgrade CR2 mace to gren in Agra for 110 gold
Advance on Lodose
Shaka seems to have dropped a culture bomb in eThekwini next to San Francisco :crazyeye:

IBT
Mansa/Shaka have Gunpowder! How did they get that so quick? :confused:

T200 1400AD
Bombard Lodose to 5%
Attack with a treb and win
Kill five more defenders in Lodose, the city is ours
Bombard Hyderabad with frigate to 57%
Attack Hyderabad with Currasiers lose one, kill three defenders, the city is ours
Sink Zulu caravel near Bombay with privateer
Advance on Tonsberg

Take a break go to bed! :sleep:

Resuming this morning: :coffee:

Keep advancing on Pataliputra
Steal 2 workers NW of Hyderabad
Start advancing on Lahore
WW bites even more, potentially delaying GP, so I decide to use up food stores to keep the specialists on to keep the GP on schedule

IBT
Bede list the most powerful civs we are top of the list :devil:

Shaka is number 2 and our espionage says we are 1.8 times his power I think we have these guys cooked. Advance full speed! :hammer:

After shaka on the list come:
Ragnar (still, despite his heavy losses)
Genghis (2.0)
Gandhi
Monty
Mansa (2.4)
Asoka
Now only 1,150 beakers to Steel, but the cash is running out,

throttle back the science
Steel now 8 turns at 0%

T201 1410AD
Bombard Tonsberg to 21%
Advance more units on Tonsberg
Raggie has quite a stack here also!
6 Indian caravels have fled Pataliputra as our stack advances
Sink Indian caravel near Hyderabad
7 red faces in NY ouch! 14 unhappies in NK thanks to war, drafting and emancipation. Less and less cities without red faces now :mad:

The GP in NK is 74% Scientist, 18% engineer, 8% merchant with one turn left to go Were going to need to be lucky :please:

IBT
Mansa and Shaka have replaceable parts where are they getting these from? :confused:

We need to hit them real soon!

T202 1420AD
Swap more cities over to wealth as builds finish to support ailing economy its red faces that are the main problem I think
We get a merchant in NK! 8% chance! :woohoo:

Bombard Tonsberg to 0%
Raggie has an even bigger stack there now
Attack Tonsberg with 2 cats and 2 trebs, one of the trebs wins, the other three die
Lose one currasier in a 92% battle
Kill twelve more defenders in Tonsberg, the city is ours
Sink Zulu caravel near Bangalore with privateer
Land siege weapons near Lahore, keep advancing other troops
Indian and Viking caravels everywhere but so far theyve decided to avoid attacking our frigates and our galleon stacks. I think the secret in keeping them away from the galleons is using stacks (and frigates where possible)
Use G Merch and G Scientist for a GA we can now get Steel in 2 turns :goodjob:

NY will starve from sheer anger this turn nothing can be done about it :cry:

Bombard Pataliputra to 7%
Attack with a cat and lose
One currasier withdraws from a 73% battle
Kill six remaining defenders in Pataliputra, the city is ours
Sink a Viking galley near Hyderabad with frigate (hopefully it was loaded!)

Some units can still move this turn next person make sure you check them all

Only one Indian city remains between us and quite a few less unhappies when India gets wiped out. Now is the time for civic changes I think.

Im now off to upload the save to central.

Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

OK - I've uploaded. The wizard of OZ is still alive.

Here is a link to the save at central:

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm14/Xteam_SG014_AD1420_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

That was ten turns, nearly five and a half hours playing time. We're going to need some team members with some spare time to get this done by the deadline...

Here's the log the site gave me when I uploaded: The log is about three times the limit for a post so I'm going to have to post it in three bits - if I can divide it just right!

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Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

Here's the site log part two:

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Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

Here's the site log part three: (rats, I didn't divide it just right - it won't all get into part three - there's going to have to be a part 4)

Spoiler :

Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

Here's the site log part 4:

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Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

Here's the BUFFY log from the last few turns since I last posted a BUFFY log - the last five or six turns - it includes a few useful things the site log doesn't:

Spoiler :

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 197/500 (1370 AD) [24-Nov-2011 20:29:06]
A Workshop was built near Coventry
Frigate 3 (New York) promoted: Combat I
Musketman 6 (Harappan) promoted: City Garrison I
Cuirassier 24 (Atlanta) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 24 (Atlanta) promoted: Combat II
100% Research: 576 per turn
0% Culture: 105 per turn
0% Espionage: 17 per turn
0% Gold: -391 per turn, 1436 in the bank

After End Turn:
A Musketman was drafted in Chicago
A Musketman was drafted in Hastings
A Musketman was drafted in London
Not Kansas finishes: Cuirassier
Washington finishes: Cuirassier
Boston grows to size 9
San Francisco finishes: Trebuchet
Hastings grows to size 7
Canterbury finishes: Longbowman
Nottingham grows to size 9
Houston grows to size 3

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Wicked Witch of the West(Aztec) from 'Hereditary Rule' to 'Universal Suffrage'

Turn 198/500 (1380 AD) [24-Nov-2011 20:54:15]
Not Kansas begins: Cuirassier (7 turns)
Washington begins: Cuirassier (2 turns)
San Francisco begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Canterbury begins: Barracks (17 turns)
Trebuchet 13 (Washington) promoted: City Raider I
Trebuchet 13 (Washington) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking, Trebuchet 13 (Washington) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 75.8%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 4 (Washington) escapes from Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 95.0%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Ujjain, Cuirassier 4 (Washington) loses to Indian Longbowman (1.20/6) (Prob Victory: 95.0%)
Cuirassier 23 (Washington) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Cuirassier 23 (Washington) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 96.5%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Ujjain, Cuirassier 23 (Washington) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 96.5%)
Cuirassier 34 (Washington) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 34 (Washington) promoted: Combat II
Cuirassier 34 (Washington) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Cuirassier 34 (Washington) decimates Indian Axeman (Prob Victory: 99.7%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Ujjain, Cuirassier 34 (Washington) (7.32/12) defeats Indian Axeman (Prob Victory: 99.7%)
While attacking, Axeman 1 (Not Kansas) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.6%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Ujjain, Axeman 1 (Not Kansas) (3.00/5) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.6%)
While attacking, Maceman 9 (Washington) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Ujjain, Maceman 9 (Washington) (8.00/8) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Buddhism has spread: Ujjain
Captured Ujjain (Good Witch of the East)
Ujjain begins: Courthouse (121 turns)
Cuirassier 33 (Atlanta) promoted: Combat II
A Workshop was built near Los Angeles
While attacking, Cuirassier 3 (Not Kansas) decimates Indian Maceman (Prob Victory: 99.5%)
While attacking in the wild near Ayodhya, Cuirassier 3 (Not Kansas) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Maceman (Prob Victory: 99.5%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 2 (Washington) decimates Indian Explorer (Prob Victory: 99.0%)
While attacking in the wild near Ayodhya, Cuirassier 2 (Washington) (10.32/12) defeats Indian Explorer (Prob Victory: 99.0%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 24 (Atlanta) decimates Indian Explorer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in the wild near Ayodhya, Cuirassier 24 (Atlanta) (10.68/12) defeats Indian Explorer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Frigate 2 (New York) promoted: Combat II
While attacking, Frigate 2 (New York) decimates Indian Caravel (Prob Victory: 98.8%)
While attacking in Indian territory near Haithabu, Frigate 2 (New York) (3.68/8) defeats Indian Caravel (Prob Victory: 98.8%)
Longbowman 5 (Canterbury) promoted: City Garrison I
100% Research: 564 per turn
0% Culture: 117 per turn
0% Espionage: 17 per turn
0% Gold: -421 per turn, 1098 in the bank

After End Turn:
A Musketman was drafted in Boston
Draft anger has decreased in London
Boston finishes: Trebuchet
Atlanta finishes: Cuirassier
Agra's borders expand

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Wicked Witch of the West (Aztec) towards Good Witch of the South (Mali), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Attitude Change: Wicked Witch of the West (Aztec) towards Wicked Witch of the South (Zululand), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Civics Change: Good Witch of the East(India) from 'Slavery' to 'Caste System'

Turn 199/500 (1390 AD) [24-Nov-2011 21:26:42]
Diplomacy: Good Witch of the West (India) offers to trade World Map to Dorothy (America) for World Map
Boston begins: Trebuchet (4 turns)
Atlanta begins: Cuirassier (4 turns)
While attacking, Catapult 14 (Not Kansas) escapes from Indian Musketman (Prob Victory: 0.3%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Catapult 14 (Not Kansas) loses to Indian Musketman (8.01/9) (Prob Victory: 0.3%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 10 (Not Kansas) escapes from Indian Musketman (Prob Victory: 66.5%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Trebuchet 10 (Not Kansas) loses to Indian Musketman (4.59/9) (Prob Victory: 66.5%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 11 (Boston) decimates Indian Knight (Prob Victory: 67.7%)
Cuirassier 26 (Washington) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 26 (Washington) promoted: Combat II
Cuirassier 26 (Washington) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Cuirassier 26 (Washington) decimates Indian Pikeman (Prob Victory: 90.9%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Cuirassier 26 (Washington) (9.96/12) defeats Indian Pikeman (Prob Victory: 90.9%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 13 (Seattle) decimates Indian War Elephant (Prob Victory: 88.8%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Cuirassier 13 (Seattle) (9.84/12) defeats Indian War Elephant (Prob Victory: 88.8%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 15 (Not Kansas) decimates Indian Musketman (Prob Victory: 98.0%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Cuirassier 15 (Not Kansas) (5.88/12) defeats Indian Musketman (Prob Victory: 98.0%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 18 (Atlanta) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Cuirassier 18 (Atlanta) (10.20/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 19 (Washington) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Cuirassier 19 (Washington) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 9 (Seattle) decimates Indian Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Cuirassier 9 (Seattle) (10.68/12) defeats Indian Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 22 (Seattle) decimates Indian Knight (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Bangalore, Cuirassier 22 (Seattle) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Knight (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Buddhism has spread: Bangalore
Captured Bangalore (Good Witch of the East)
Bangalore begins: Courthouse (121 turns)
Cuirassier 30 (Seattle) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 30 (Seattle) promoted: Combat II
While attacking in the wild at Bangalore, Cuirassier 30 (Seattle) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Fast Worker (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Cuirassier 27 (Seattle) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 27 (Seattle) promoted: Combat II
While attacking in the wild at Bangalore, Cuirassier 27 (Seattle) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Fast Worker (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
A Workshop was built near Nottingham
Cuirassier 24 (Atlanta) promoted: Combat III
Trebuchet 13 (Washington) promoted: City Raider III
100% Research: 552 per turn
0% Culture: 105 per turn
0% Espionage: 17 per turn
0% Gold: -432 per turn, 744 in the bank

After End Turn:
Washington finishes: Cuirassier
Philadelphia finishes: Trebuchet
San Francisco finishes: Trebuchet
Prayaga finishes: Privateer
Los Angeles grows to size 4
London grows to size 10
Coventry grows to size 8
Houston finishes: Granary

Turn 200/500 (1400 AD) [24-Nov-2011 22:00:20]
Washington begins: Cuirassier (2 turns)
Philadelphia begins: Grenadier (7 turns)
San Francisco begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Houston begins: Courthouse (18 turns)
While attacking, Trebuchet 13 (Washington) escapes from Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 72.6%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 25 (Not Kansas) decimates Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 95.7%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Lödöse, Cuirassier 25 (Not Kansas) (6.24/12) defeats Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 95.7%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 23 (Washington) decimates Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 97.2%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Lödöse, Cuirassier 23 (Washington) (8.40/12) defeats Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 97.2%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 7 (Washington) decimates Viking Crossbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Lödöse, Cuirassier 7 (Washington) (12.00/12) defeats Viking Crossbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Maceman 9 (Washington) decimates Viking Catapult (Prob Victory: 96.7%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Lödöse, Maceman 9 (Washington) (5.60/8) defeats Viking Catapult (Prob Victory: 96.7%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 16 (Washington) decimates Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Lödöse, Cuirassier 16 (Washington) (10.32/12) defeats Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Buddhism has spread: Lödöse
Captured Lödöse (Wicked Witch of the East)
Lödöse begins: Courthouse (121 turns)
Cuirassier 29 (Not Kansas) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 29 (Not Kansas) promoted: Combat II
Cuirassier 29 (Not Kansas) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Cuirassier 29 (Not Kansas) escapes from Indian Musketman (Prob Victory: 22.7%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Hyderabad, Cuirassier 29 (Not Kansas) loses to Indian Musketman (5.94/9) (Prob Victory: 22.7%)
Cuirassier 31 (Not Kansas) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 31 (Not Kansas) promoted: Combat II
Cuirassier 31 (Not Kansas) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Cuirassier 31 (Not Kansas) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 70.3%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Hyderabad, Cuirassier 31 (Not Kansas) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 70.3%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 27 (Seattle) decimates Indian Musketman (Prob Victory: 67.3%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Hyderabad, Cuirassier 27 (Seattle) (1.92/12) defeats Indian Musketman (Prob Victory: 67.3%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 30 (Seattle) decimates Indian Swordsman (Prob Victory: 75.1%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Hyderabad, Cuirassier 30 (Seattle) (9.96/12) defeats Indian Swordsman (Prob Victory: 75.1%)
Buddhism has spread: Hyderabad
Captured Hyderabad (Good Witch of the East)
Hyderabad begins: Courthouse (121 turns)
A Workshop was built near London
While attacking, Privateer 2 (Prayaga) decimates Zulu Caravel (Prob Victory: 98.7%)
While attacking in American territory near Bombay, Privateer 2 (Prayaga) (5.16/6) defeats Zulu Caravel (Prob Victory: 98.7%)
Cuirassier 18 (Atlanta) promoted: Combat III
Cuirassier 13 (Seattle) promoted: Combat III

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 200/500 (1400 AD) [25-Nov-2011 07:55:59]
Cuirassier 19 (Washington) promoted: Combat III
While attacking in Indian territory at Hyderabad, Cuirassier 19 (Washington) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Fast Worker (Prob Victory: 0.0%)
100% Research: 548 per turn
0% Culture: 105 per turn
0% Espionage: 17 per turn
0% Gold: -449 per turn, 656 in the bank

After End Turn:
Hastings grows to size 8
Canterbury grows to size 5
London finishes: Trebuchet

Other Player Actions:
Civics Change: Good Witch of the West(India) from 'Free Market' to 'State Property'

Turn 201/500 (1410 AD) [25-Nov-2011 08:07:04]
Trebuchet 16 (Philadelphia) promoted: City Raider I
Trebuchet 16 (Philadelphia) promoted: Accuracy
A Workshop was built near Canterbury
A Workshop was built near Harappan
Cuirassier 30 (Seattle) promoted: Combat III
Cuirassier 27 (Seattle) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Frigate 3 (New York) decimates Indian Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
While attacking just off shore near Haithabu, Frigate 3 (New York) (8.00/8) defeats Indian Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.9%)
Maceman 9 (Washington) promoted: Combat III
Cuirassier 23 (Washington) promoted: March
Cuirassier 16 (Washington) promoted: March
Privateer 2 (Prayaga) promoted: Combat I
0% Research: 129 per turn
0% Culture: 117 per turn
0% Espionage: 17 per turn
100% Gold: -65 per turn, 207 in the bank

After End Turn:
Anthony van Diemen (Great Merchant) born in Not Kansas
Washington finishes: Cuirassier
Boston finishes: Trebuchet
Atlanta finishes: Cuirassier
San Francisco finishes: Trebuchet
Hastings finishes: Barracks
Los Angeles finishes: Granary
Ayodhya's borders expand

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Wicked Witch of the South (Zululand) towards Good Witch of the East (India), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Wicked Witch of the West (Aztec) towards Good Witch of the South (Mali), from 'Friendly' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Good Witch of the South(Mali) from 'Bureaucracy' to 'Free Speech'
Civics Change: Good Witch of the South(Mali) from 'Free Market' to 'State Property'

Turn 202/500 (1420 AD) [25-Nov-2011 08:36:43]
Washington begins: Cuirassier (2 turns)
Los Angeles begins: Lighthouse (7 turns)
A Farm was built near New York
Trebuchet 18 (San Francisco) promoted: City Raider I
Trebuchet 18 (San Francisco) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking, Trebuchet 18 (San Francisco) decimates Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 71.1%)
While attacking, Catapult 26 (San Francisco) escapes from Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 2.3%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Catapult 26 (San Francisco) loses to Viking Knight (4.80/10) (Prob Victory: 2.3%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 13 (Washington) escapes from Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 37.7%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Trebuchet 13 (Washington) loses to Viking Knight (5.60/10) (Prob Victory: 37.7%)
While attacking, Catapult 27 (San Francisco) escapes from Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 11.5%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Catapult 27 (San Francisco) loses to Viking Longbowman (4.32/6) (Prob Victory: 11.5%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 34 (Washington) decimates Viking Pikeman (Prob Victory: 78.7%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 34 (Washington) (1.80/12) defeats Viking Pikeman (Prob Victory: 78.7%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 17 (Seattle) decimates Viking Pikeman (Prob Victory: 95.5%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 17 (Seattle) (9.84/12) defeats Viking Pikeman (Prob Victory: 95.5%)
Cuirassier 37 (Washington) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 37 (Washington) promoted: Combat II
Cuirassier 37 (Washington) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Cuirassier 37 (Washington) decimates Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 95.3%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 37 (Washington) (10.08/12) defeats Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 95.3%)
Cuirassier 39 (Washington) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 39 (Washington) promoted: Combat II
Cuirassier 39 (Washington) promoted: Combat III
While attacking, Cuirassier 39 (Washington) decimates Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 95.7%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 39 (Washington) (8.16/12) defeats Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 95.7%)
Cuirassier 36 (Atlanta) promoted: Combat I
Cuirassier 36 (Atlanta) promoted: Combat II
While attacking, Cuirassier 36 (Atlanta) decimates Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 90.8%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 36 (Atlanta) (9.96/12) defeats Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 90.8%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 33 (Atlanta) escapes from Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 91.1%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 33 (Atlanta) loses to Viking Knight (0.80/10) (Prob Victory: 91.1%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 7 (Washington) decimates Viking Berserker (Prob Victory: 96.4%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 7 (Washington) (8.16/12) defeats Viking Berserker (Prob Victory: 96.4%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 16 (Washington) decimates Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 16 (Washington) (11.76/12) defeats Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.3%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 23 (Washington) decimates Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 98.3%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Cuirassier 23 (Washington) (5.40/12) defeats Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 98.3%)
While attacking, Musketman decimates Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 84.3%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Musketman (0.45/9) defeats Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 84.3%)
While attacking, War Elephant 1 (Washington) decimates Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, War Elephant 1 (Washington) (6.72/8) defeats Viking Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking, Maceman 9 (Washington) decimates Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 95.1%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Maceman 9 (Washington) (6.80/8) defeats Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 95.1%)
While attacking, Axeman 2 (Washington) decimates Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Viking territory at Tønsberg, Axeman 2 (Washington) (5.00/5) defeats Viking Knight (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Buddhism has spread: Tønsberg
Captured Tønsberg (Wicked Witch of the East)
Tønsberg begins: Courthouse (121 turns)
While attacking, Privateer 2 (Prayaga) decimates Zulu Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
While attacking just off shore near Bombay, Privateer 2 (Prayaga) (6.00/6) defeats Zulu Caravel (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
A Village near Lahore was destroyed by American Cuirassier 19 (Washington) (17 gold)
A Hamlet near Lahore was destroyed by American Cuirassier 22 (Seattle) (12 gold)
A Workshop was built near London
A Workshop was built near York
Golden Age begins
While attacking, Catapult 12 (Washington) escapes from Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 2.0%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Pataliputra, Catapult 12 (Washington) loses to Indian Longbowman (3.66/6) (Prob Victory: 2.0%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 14 (Washington) escapes from Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 68.7%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 2 (Washington) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 67.6%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Pataliputra, Cuirassier 2 (Washington) (11.52/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 67.6%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 24 (Atlanta) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 75.5%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Pataliputra, Cuirassier 24 (Atlanta) (5.52/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 75.5%)
While attacking, Cuirassier 3 (Not Kansas) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 75.5%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Pataliputra, Cuirassier 3 (Not Kansas) (7.68/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 75.5%)
While attacking, Grenadier 1 (Not Kansas) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.7%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Pataliputra, Grenadier 1 (Not Kansas) (4.32/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.7%)
While attacking, Grenadier 5 (Washington) decimates Indian Maceman (Prob Victory: 93.1%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Pataliputra, Grenadier 5 (Washington) (1.56/12) defeats Indian Maceman (Prob Victory: 93.1%)
While attacking, Grenadier 12 (San Francisco) decimates Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Indian territory at Pataliputra, Grenadier 12 (San Francisco) (12.00/12) defeats Indian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Buddhism has spread: Pataliputra
Captured Pataliputra (Good Witch of the East)
Pataliputra begins: Granary (61 turns)
While attacking, Frigate 2 (New York) decimates Viking Galley (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking on the high seas near Haithabu, Frigate 2 (New York) (7.28/8) defeats Viking Galley (Prob Victory: 100.0%)

Cactus Pete · Nov 24, 2011

Well done, MP. Did you use culture to reduce unhappiness?

In case it has any bearing on who plays the next sets, I am going out of town and out of contact from the 29th through the 4th, and have too much RL to deal with to play before I leave (though I'll still be able to contribute to the discussion). I should be able to play fairly soon after I return.

Mad Professor · Nov 24, 2011

Cactus Pete said:
Well done, MP. Did you use culture to reduce unhappiness?

No - our economy was not really in a position to support it if we wanted to get to steel. I was using high science to get steel and losing money very fast. We currently lose money with all sliders set to zero - though now with the golden age that may no longer be true.

I think civic changes (particularly Police State) will help a lot with that now though.

leif erikson · Nov 24, 2011

Sounds like a very well done job MP. :woohoo:

Lots of cities and it sounds like Asoka's back has been broken! :cheers:

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Htadus · Nov 24, 2011

Great Job MP. I am on.

I need council. After finishing India, do we want to blits Shaka? Plan and take about 5-6 core cities first turn? Or finish Vikings Before going after another?

We can win without hitting one of the groups.

Cactus Pete · Nov 24, 2011

Having looked at the save, the logistics of going after Shaka next seem a bit difficult. Think we'd need another fort built next to a former Viking spoke city spoke city and the city to come out of anarchy before we could get loaded galleons in place. On the other hand, we can continue to move on Rags even as we take Lahore. Probably want to move units from India campaign toward Rags eastern-most cities and proceed east to west, so that forces will be close to Shaka when we're finished with the Vikings.

MP, how much of Lahore's culture are our trebs reducing each turn?

We can load three cats onto galleon in Hyderabad and 2 more onto a nearby galley and land them next to Lahore next turn, if it's going to be a long siege.

Need to get a galleon(s) and frigate to the Tonsberg area soon to pick up trebs and other 1-move units and advance them toward Rockilde and Uppsala.

Mad Professor · Nov 25, 2011

Cactus Pete said:
Having looked at the save, the logistics of going after Shaka next seem a bit difficult. Think we'd need another fort built next to a former Viking spoke city spoke city and the city to come out of anarchy before we could get loaded galleons in place. On the other hand, we can continue to move on Rags even as we take Lahore. Probably want to move units from India campaign toward Rags eastern-most cities and proceed east to west, so that forces will be close to Shaka when we're finished with the Vikings.

Yes, mind you, the way Mansa and Shaka have picked up Military Tradition, Gunpowder and Replaceable parts all in about the last five turns is scary. The longer we leave them, the more rifles they will array against us, which will slow us down a bit. We need to hit them absolutely as soon as it is practical to do so.

Cactus Pete said:
MP, how much of Lahore's culture are our trebs reducing each turn?

They just landed this turn from the galleon that is nearby there. Lahore has walls so it will be slow. Bangalore was likewise a long seige. Hyderabad didn't need a seige due to lack of serious defenders and several other cities I took were short seiges due to lack of walls, but Lahore will be like Bangalore unless we want to throw attackers at it partly bombarded. That might save a couple of turns taking Lahore but it will cost us in units.

Cactus Pete said:
We can load three cats onto galleon in Hyderabad and 2 more onto a nearby galley and land them next to Lahore next turn, if it's going to be a long siege.

Yes, more seige units to Lahore would be good.

Cactus Pete said:
Need to get a galleon(s) and frigate to the Tonsberg area soon to pick up trebs and other 1-move units and advance them toward Rockilde and Uppsala.

There are five galleons near Lahore (staying together to discourage attacks by that fleet of six caravels that fled Pataliputra before we took it) Some of them can head quickly towards Tonsberg we now have three frigates in those waters, but two are just arriving - at least one should head towards Tonsberg to provide serious cover against the caravel fleets. Haven't had a caravel fleet try to take on one of the frigates yet!

Htadus said:
I need council. After finishing India, do we want to blits Shaka? Plan and take about 5-6 core cities first turn? Or finish Vikings Before going after another?

As I said above we need to think about how to hit him hard and fast, but CP has rightly pointed out the logistical problems. It would be nice to know if and where a "stack of doom" is located. I would want to hit several cities at once, but in splitting up the attack force like that, we would be vulnerable to counterattack, and having cities retaken if we didn't know where to expect the counter-attack from. He has knights and maces, soon no doubt some muskets and it won't be too long before there are rifles on the scene I fear. I would want to hit several cities before then.

The problem is doing the "several cities" bit before taking out a lot more of Raggie. I think we should now try hitting Raggie in several spots - I creamed about 30-40 Viking units in my turn set - he can't have an inexhaustible supply... He's got to be weakening by now surely? Once we've hit several more of Raggie's cities, we can send an army into Zululand.

Htadus said:
We can win without hitting one of the groups.

Yes, I think you're right if we do Mansa/Shaka and Genghis over properly we won't need to hit Monty/Gandhi. The problem may come because Mansa/Shaka are friendly with Monty/Gandhi - we might get them whether we want them or not.

Oh - try to keep that privateer in Gandhi's territory moving towards the Emerald City - that's what it's there for. Unfortunately it might not survive the voyage - it's already wounded. The Caravel heading east at the top of the map is backup for gazing at the Emerald City should the privateer not survive Gandhi's waters.

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