DwarfSleepy
The Sleeper
I'm away from my civ computer from May 30th until June 10th (traveling to US), so I will need a skip for my turnset.
SGOTM 17 - Maple Sporks
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I'm away from my civ computer from May 30th until June 10th (traveling to US), so I will need a skip for my turnset.
Man, you travel a lot! 
A skip probably means you won't get another turnset... Or did you mean a swap?
Looking at the graphs, I think we should be able to beat FE, they posted a save 36 turns beyond our current. Killing the 3 AIs in that time frame should be doable, if the teleport doesn't go terribly wrong.
A skip probably means you won't get another turnset... Or did you mean a swap?
Looking at the graphs, I think we should be able to beat FE, they posted a save 36 turns beyond our current. Killing the 3 AIs in that time frame should be doable, if the teleport doesn't go terribly wrong.
DwarfSleepy
The Sleeper
Man, you travel a lot!
A skip probably means you won't get another turnset... Or did you mean a swap?
Looking at the graphs, I think we should be able to beat FE, they posted a save 36 turns beyond our current. Killing the 3 AIs in that time frame should be doable, if the teleport doesn't go terribly wrong.
That's part of the new job I took on in January. It also means working from home a few days in the week, so that's a nice balance
Yes, I mean a swap, but let's see how far we are along when I return, and I'll slot in when I'm back up to speed.
Sounds like a good job change, if you enjoy the travelling.
TBH I hope to have this game practically wrapped up by the time you're back. It's really only a matter of finding the best logistics from this point. Any ideas or preferences on the "how-to" that you can share before you go will be much appreciated. Or interesting links of course.
TBH I hope to have this game practically wrapped up by the time you're back. It's really only a matter of finding the best logistics from this point. Any ideas or preferences on the "how-to" that you can share before you go will be much appreciated. Or interesting links of course.
DwarfSleepy
The Sleeper
TBH I hope to have this game practically wrapped up by the time you're back. It's really only a matter of finding the best logistics from this point. Any ideas or preferences on the "how-to" that you can share before you go will be much appreciated. Or interesting links of course.
That would be great. I'll chip in if and when appropriate
I had a quick look. Eliminating Polynesian is okay with me, it also means we can drop units a bit east of Polynesian for the Russian build-up, making boat travel shorter.
Speaking of which, we seem to be lacking boats... I think the 2 galleys near FK should unload their cannons (to go towards Japan) and head back to Silver and ferry.
I think I'd build the wheat city NE of wheat and try to settle on the gold on the Russian side of the straight, 3W. The settler with the Polynesian stack could be used for that (I think he's not boarded though). To ship that settler over we obviously need a boat which we should rush(buy) from wheat city. So maybe US when that 2nd settler is near wheat. With 2 cities there are also more cities to rushbuy boats from.
I think basically nearly all current units should go towards Japan/England (apart from Polynesian units that can go to Russia afterwards). For speed I'm tempted to just nearly exclusively build cuirs from now on. We'll also need the 2 settlers for England, btw. I don't think we should be building infra anymore. While in PS I'd also keep low on wealth. Units, units... After switching to US we should have all units ready to kick ass and can go more wealth for rushbuying.
I'm not sure if caste was really worth it TBH. Slavery is so useful (especially in hammer low cities, whipping some extra galleys, etc)... I'm contemplating that if we want to switch to US in 10 turns, why not launch the GA in about 5? The GA bonus itself is most useful in the unit build up phase. That would at least give the opportunity to get back to slavery.
I'd be in favour of gifting Hanzhou to see if we get enough bonus for OB with Toku. To get all units from Silver over to Japan we'll need quite some turns still, so there's a chance he'll ease a bit more up during that time (merc bonus increasing for instance). If he won't, declare by then.
Sengir, you there?
Speaking of which, we seem to be lacking boats... I think the 2 galleys near FK should unload their cannons (to go towards Japan) and head back to Silver and ferry.
I think I'd build the wheat city NE of wheat and try to settle on the gold on the Russian side of the straight, 3W. The settler with the Polynesian stack could be used for that (I think he's not boarded though). To ship that settler over we obviously need a boat which we should rush(buy) from wheat city. So maybe US when that 2nd settler is near wheat. With 2 cities there are also more cities to rushbuy boats from.
I think basically nearly all current units should go towards Japan/England (apart from Polynesian units that can go to Russia afterwards). For speed I'm tempted to just nearly exclusively build cuirs from now on. We'll also need the 2 settlers for England, btw. I don't think we should be building infra anymore. While in PS I'd also keep low on wealth. Units, units... After switching to US we should have all units ready to kick ass and can go more wealth for rushbuying.
I'm not sure if caste was really worth it TBH. Slavery is so useful (especially in hammer low cities, whipping some extra galleys, etc)... I'm contemplating that if we want to switch to US in 10 turns, why not launch the GA in about 5? The GA bonus itself is most useful in the unit build up phase. That would at least give the opportunity to get back to slavery.
I'd be in favour of gifting Hanzhou to see if we get enough bonus for OB with Toku. To get all units from Silver over to Japan we'll need quite some turns still, so there's a chance he'll ease a bit more up during that time (merc bonus increasing for instance). If he won't, declare by then.
Sengir, you there?
As said, hangzhou is a liberation and should give points in diplo.
anyone know at how many point does toku does OB? i was counting on +5, but if anyone have data on this point...
ok to clean indonesia and focus on cuirs. we can also build a road near fort knox to shorten the trip by boat, but clearly, more boats are needed
anyone know at how many point does toku does OB? i was counting on +5, but if anyone have data on this point...
ok to clean indonesia and focus on cuirs. we can also build a road near fort knox to shorten the trip by boat, but clearly, more boats are needed
pigswill
fly (one day)
Its worth considering that with workshops there are no low hammer cities (except those with villages and towns) but you need to let the cities grow to work more workshops; its also worth considering that you can build wealth but you can't whip wealth.
The big question is indeed how easily Toku will open borders, its certainly worth liberating H and see what difference that makes.
I also think that unless Toku opens borders very soon it will be quicker to port from Russia.
The big question is indeed how easily Toku will open borders, its certainly worth liberating H and see what difference that makes.
I also think that unless Toku opens borders very soon it will be quicker to port from Russia.
Plan:
Build 2 galleys near core for ferrying purposes
Move current units towards Japan.
Switch to building Cuirs for Russia
Build 2 more settlers for the England-stack.
Settle wheat city
When second settler is near wheat city, launch GA, switch to US + Slavery. At the end of the GA we can switch Slavery for Caste, but for now I very much want to whip another round. After the GA the cities can grow again.
Try to get OB with Japan, if not possible, declare and raze some cities.
The only thing I'm not sure of, is gifting the Chinese city: can someone test if it gives instant diplo? I'm tempted to give it on t+0, if it doesn't succeed, I can raze it easily enough.
Build 2 galleys near core for ferrying purposes
Move current units towards Japan.
Switch to building Cuirs for Russia
Build 2 more settlers for the England-stack.
Settle wheat city
When second settler is near wheat city, launch GA, switch to US + Slavery. At the end of the GA we can switch Slavery for Caste, but for now I very much want to whip another round. After the GA the cities can grow again.
Try to get OB with Japan, if not possible, declare and raze some cities.
The only thing I'm not sure of, is gifting the Chinese city: can someone test if it gives instant diplo? I'm tempted to give it on t+0, if it doesn't succeed, I can raze it easily enough.
DwarfSleepy
The Sleeper
Go for it
Indeed not worth a long wait, but I thought I mention in case we had a hindu miss nearby (pigswill mentioned them at some point).
However we don't need OB until we have the whole England force at the gates of Hangzhou (or rather close by) so there *might* be time for a miss.
One important thing, I think to cancel OB with Japan for the teleport we'll have to declare. Like a resource deal OB is forced for 10 turns unless you declare, I think. That could be an argument for getting OB asap, actually. Although having to declare won't be problematic if we start sending the proper Japan stack right after the English one.
Played my set.
Didn't go all to well, but from this turn on, things should be going more smoothly (with one little setback in the next IBT).
Polynesia was too well defended for the first stack I sent, so I had to sent reinforcements. I was able to take it this turn, but there are two maces next to it, so it will probably be lost again next turn. We should be able to retake it though.
Wheat city is also under siege by three barbmaces. There are three knights defending it, but I'm afraid that's not enough. I suggest upgrading these knights to Cuirs, as well as starting the GA, switching to US (+slavery) and rushbuy a musket for bonus defense.
The route to wheat will be done next turn.
As you will notice when you check the save, the settler meant for RussianGold is still near Polynesia, this is because I didn't want to use a ship to transport it further, as the RussianGold became quite Russian the turn I settled Wheat. We have to do a culture battle or we can build a city on this side of the river and do it the oldfashioned way.
That's the northern front. The southern front wasn't nice either: we had way to few ships (exacerbated by the need to reinforce Polynesia), so I rectified that.
Toku was being annoying as well: our relations didn't improve after gifting the city and he didn't switch religions either (I made the city Hindu before gifting). This turn, our shared civics got an extra +, so we have finally got our OB with Toku, and we can start moving troops.
I don't have a lot of time the next few days, so maybe the next player should take over.
The save
Didn't go all to well, but from this turn on, things should be going more smoothly (with one little setback in the next IBT).
Polynesia was too well defended for the first stack I sent, so I had to sent reinforcements. I was able to take it this turn, but there are two maces next to it, so it will probably be lost again next turn. We should be able to retake it though.
Wheat city is also under siege by three barbmaces. There are three knights defending it, but I'm afraid that's not enough. I suggest upgrading these knights to Cuirs, as well as starting the GA, switching to US (+slavery) and rushbuy a musket for bonus defense.
The route to wheat will be done next turn.
As you will notice when you check the save, the settler meant for RussianGold is still near Polynesia, this is because I didn't want to use a ship to transport it further, as the RussianGold became quite Russian the turn I settled Wheat. We have to do a culture battle or we can build a city on this side of the river and do it the oldfashioned way.
That's the northern front. The southern front wasn't nice either: we had way to few ships (exacerbated by the need to reinforce Polynesia), so I rectified that.
Toku was being annoying as well: our relations didn't improve after gifting the city and he didn't switch religions either (I made the city Hindu before gifting). This turn, our shared civics got an extra +, so we have finally got our OB with Toku, and we can start moving troops.
I don't have a lot of time the next few days, so maybe the next player should take over.
The save
Spoiler :
Thanks for the set, will have a look tonight.
With DS out of and out because of business for the next 10 days, seems I'm up and astre on deck. Should have time this weekend to play.
Will be buying boats and be getting troops into position. I hope the teleport works out on my machine.
Maybe I'll see a bit of war, but it seems astre will get most of the gory part.
With DS out of and out because of business for the next 10 days, seems I'm up and astre on deck. Should have time this weekend to play.
Will be buying boats and be getting troops into position. I hope the teleport works out on my machine.
Maybe I'll see a bit of war, but it seems astre will get most of the gory part.
pigswill
fly (one day)
If you spread Hinduism down south and build rax we won't need to ferry troops from the north against Japan. South builds Japan army, north builds Russia army and we cash rush England army.
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