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Should I just stop playing on King? It seems too difficult.

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by CivAddict2013, Apr 7, 2014.

  1. reddishrecue

    reddishrecue Deity

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    I was using king and I couldn't believe how well I was actually doing. I took ulundi, mecca and recently I took Cuzco. I couldn't believe that I was able to do it and the ais weren't that hostile against my conquering since I did liberate a few city states that were captured by the ai. I have a few doubts though, I'm last in literacy and I still have about 4 capitals left for domination and it is late (1800s). I did better than last time but I guess it was fun or thought that count.
     
  2. kb27787

    kb27787 Emperor

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    :lol: people giving deity advice :lol:
    On king it's actually beneficial to wonderwhore a little (esp. things like GL and ToA and whatnot) and to stay OCC or close to OCC until turn 90 or so.
     
  3. LoneRebel

    LoneRebel Emperor

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    You seem to be misunderstanding something. You do not necessarily need to be ahead in every category in order to win a game.

    Especially building every wonder...don't tell me you're STILL trying to do that? :crazyeye: Even on Prince, you won't be able to build every ancient and classical wonder, there are just too many.

    And what makes you think building every wonder is necessary to win? These AIs you speak of that are always ahead of you in everything - do they build every wonder?
     
  4. kkapalk

    kkapalk Warlord

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    Joncnunn gives good advice and it is worth reading his posts. I am only a mediocre player, so cannot really give you much help. I also play on King and find I win 80% of the time. My losses are usually when I neglect my military for all those juicy buildings and wonders. But I accept these losses and still enjoy the game, retiring and looking back at where I went wrong. If it really grates on you to lose then stepping down a level is probably a good option. The point in playing Civ is to enjoy it, so I would find the level between too easy and too hard and just learn from there.
     
  5. shaglio

    shaglio The Prince of Dorkness

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    The answer to your question boils down to WHY you play Civilization 5. There is no wrong answer to this question; everyone plays for their own reason.

    If you enjoy trying to beat the highest difficulty level you can and continually improving upon your losses, then stay on King and keep revising your strategy.

    If you play just to blow off some steam after a long day at school/work, or for something to do during commercials while watching TV, then drop back down to Prince if the frustration of losing on King gets too much for you.

    None of us here can answer this question for you; you need to answer it for yourself. (I should quit my job and go get a degree in Philosophy or something).
     
  6. ToothedBomb

    ToothedBomb Prince

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    I'm not saying that winning vs King is impossible at all. I've been playing since vanilla, and have won numerous King games. A lot of times with a huge lead.
    Not saying I'm great at the game or anything, but I understand the mechanics for the most part.

    The first question I already answered. The second is simple: There's certain strategies and playstyles that fit with the higher difficulties. I don't really enjoy those, to be honest. Like shaglio mentioned, it depends on what you're looking for in the game.
     
  7. Abraxis

    Abraxis Emperor

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    This is the point. The key is in leveraging whichever you do build to its fullest to off-set where you fell behind.

    If you could do everything, that would not be strategy.
     
  8. Chum

    Chum King

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    Well, the point would be if we could actually have a conversation with the guy, instead of him just dropping random complaint threads on the board and then never responding to any of the answers/discussion contained within.

    That would probably go a long way towards fixing his problem as well.

    I don't know what you're getting at here. Strategies for anything below immortal are pretty varied. Especially on King (the topic of conversation), you have leeway to do basically whatever you want and still win, because the AI doesn't have the advantages it needs in order to win at that level.
     
  9. ToothedBomb

    ToothedBomb Prince

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    I'm talking about playing on Deity difficulty.
    On King you do have a lot of options, like you said.
     
  10. Chum

    Chum King

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    Well, it sounds like you're either confusing the topic or confusing yourself then, because you said --

    -- that the AI can beat you on everything, and that you always play on King. It doesn't make any sense to interject Deity comments into a thread specifically designed around King difficulty. Of course the AI outpaces you on everything on Deity. It's designed to. But that's not what we're talking about here.
     
  11. ArguCa

    ArguCa Prince

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    If you don't enjoy the game on King just try something easier. After a few games, you'll be good for King difficulty.
     
  12. ToothedBomb

    ToothedBomb Prince

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    I answered the question you asked yourself.

    They can win on the higher difficulties by using certain strategies that, for me, suck a lot of the fun out of the game.
     
  13. LoneRebel

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    People should not be able to win on the highest difficulties using any strategy. That is true of any game, not just this one.
     
  14. Moriarte

    Moriarte Immortal

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    Conquest.

    You can lose on higher difficulty and still have fun.
     
  15. Memoryjar

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    Except selling lux and strategic ressources to AI, you can win on higher difficulties. Even on Deity, without stealing workers and bribing AI to avoid early war. It's pretty hard and doesn't always work. But you can.

    My last Deity victory was peaceful culture with only stealing one only worker to a CS. Other tricks were just selling resources and sometimes paying an AI to go to war against another. And a 156 gpt for an open borders. :eek:
     
  16. Novalia

    Novalia Prince

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    It's not that you suck. Well... you probably do.. But that would seem harsh to outright say. Your main problem is your unwillingness to improve. I've had the misfortune to have clicked on more threads started by you than I wish I had and they all have the same theme: Some random complaint. This is followed by pages of responses by people attempting to help.

    Why don't you just follow one of the opening guides step by step?
    I'm pretty sure I know why you won't.
     
  17. Furtherado

    Furtherado Chieftain

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    As the player, you DON`T build every wonder, earn all the money and being in the tech lead isn`t always crucial, if you compensate for it with a big military or stand with enough votes for the diplo win. It seems like you worry too much about trivial things and just go back and forth trying to plug small leaks, "i don`t have alot of money, so i need to build markets" when you need to have the greater goal in mind "winning a cultural victory".

    You can win without wonders, so if you`re going to build them make sure it`s not at the expense of something that is more useful. To win at strategy games you need to make sure the moves you make are multi-purpose and essential to the goal (as in moving a chess piece to both defend a piece and also checking the king f ex)

    Instead of building a science or culture building automatically in every city, stop for a moment and think if it`s better to build an unit or a caravan instead. Of course, i don`t know what you are actually doing since you haven`t posted a save file or a screenshot.
     

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