Should we disclose to KISS that we have met D-Nuts

[fe3333au]

Should we automatically tell KISS about D-Nuts ...

 

[fe3333au]

My reasoning can be found in various places ... basically I think we gain more my controlling information

The later we tell KISS about D-Nuts -> the further away KISS will assume that the path joining the other continent is away from where is is ... assuming that there is a safe path ... but we should have that info by Saturday meeting

 

[Chamnix]

My concern is trying to maintain good relations with KISS until we are ready. Suppose in 7 turns we tell KISS we met Donuts. We could tell them then that we met 7 turns ago - KISS won't be happy to learn that we were hiding it for that long.

We could tell KISS we just met Donuts. Then KISS and Donuts meet and start talking, and it comes out in conversation that Donuts met us a while ago. Now we hid something and lied about it.

I agree KISS is the enemy, but we want the war to be on our terms, not because they preemptively strike us for lying. I don't honestly see how the knowledge that we met Donuts helps KISS - they still don't know where to look for them (we don't even know).

 

[General_W]

If we hope to build a more long-term alliance (of sorts) with Doughnuts – then we really don't want to get caught lying over something small.
I strongly advocate honesty with Doughnuts on this.

As for KISS – Chamnix is right – we don't want to get the war started early over something stupid – but that may happen no matter what we do.
I'm really happy with whatever we do on this with KISS.

(Hence my vote: Honesty with D'nut, No vote on the KISSers)

 

[Rik Meleet]

1.7 - Exchange of Contact

Description: No team or individual is permitted to barter, gift, or otherwise trade any sort of contact information until the requisite tech is discovered. A simple statement to team 'Z' that you live next to team 'Y' is allowable so long as no transactions are made or brokered between the two.

Definition: A team trading anything for any location or contact information before allowed in-game.

Purpose: To prevent the use of outside game elements to break the spirit of the game by allowing contact and location information to be traded before they are allowed in-game.

Verdict: Using this exploit or any other exploit that allows any contact or location information trading before the tech is discovered through any means is a violation of this rule.

Punishment Level: Once – Orange (1-5 Turns), Repeat Offense - Red (2-20 Turns)

lurker's comment: The tech meant is of course Printing Press.

A simple statement to D-nut or KISS that you've met more teams is allowed. any further remarks about other teams to other teams isn't; as I see it. You can always defend yourself when asked: "why didn't you tell us you knew team XXX" with: "We interpreted the rules that it wasn't allowed".

Just be sure to ask Ginger and/or Regent for advise.

 

[Kentharu]

its up to Emp what to tell D-nut (and FE) but i would strongly advise we tell KISS we ahve contact, and in doing so tell D-nuts we have contact with KISS, it would show our honesty (if it isn't already to late) and i dont want war with either of the two teams

 

[Black_Hole]

Don't tell them, but this poll is one sided and you can't vote for not sharing...

 

[ybbor]

tell them. it fosters friendship

 

[Emp.Napoleon]

Not unless they ask. However, if they ask, I would say it is a domestic matter and is not relivant plus our matters.

 

[Meleager]

if they ask then tell them....
they may have met each other and if they tell each other they know us then we could be in trouble

 

[Rambuchan]

I agree with Emperor Napoleon and voted 'other'.

Although I see the reasoning behind Cham's comments as being a good principle to conduct relations by, this doesn't mean we have to go and tell them everything. If they don't ask us, then they don't find out. Should we tell them how much tobacco or ivory is on our land? No. So why tell them about Doggienutz?

 

[Meleager]

Actualy I think Rik's advice is good. Just wave down an admin to check. They might be annoyed but at least we would get away with it...

interesting new cfc moderator images btw, though i think the stars where more military-like

EDIT: post 750...

EDIT 2: I have made another 22 posts scince this (less than a day).... i need a life

 

[classical_hero]

Don't tell them, but this poll is one sided and you can't vote for not sharing...

Another flawed poll. That is exactly what I would do. We are in no obligation to tell and we will be breaking a rule. Whenever they ask we should tell the truth and the truth is that we cannot share such infomation with them until they have had contact with them or one of us has Printing press. I do not want to be par of anything that will mean breaking the rules.

 

[classical_hero]

if they ask then tell them....
they may have met each other and if they tell each other they know us then we could be in trouble

We have the law with us on thi one. Rik's advice is the best advice given.

 

[fe3333au]

@C_H - It is NOT another flawed poll ... see Other

This allows one to express your comments on the thread ...

EDIT - It came out agressive ... not ment to .. but if you read the transcripts you would have seen that there was numerous times the question of if we had met someone ... logical question as we have alphabet as first tech ...

So the poll is to assertain how we act with KISS who are suspicious and next meeting will definitely ask ... and our virgining trust of D-Nuts

 

[fe3333au]

RIKs comment is based on giving contact information and NOT saying we have met another team ...

So how can we say 'no comment' when a question comes up in a diplomatic meeting ...

 

[classical_hero]

@C_H - It is NOT another flawed poll ... see Other

This allows one to express your comments on the thread ...

EDIT - It came out agressive ... not ment to .. but if you read the transcripts you would have seen that there was numerous times the question of if we had met someone ... logical question as we have alphabet as first tech ...

So the poll is to assertain how we act with KISS who are suspicious and next meeting will definitely ask ... and our virgining trust of D-Nuts

Surely you could have put that up there right from the start as it is an obvious option, whereas someone could have thought of an option that was not obvious. Saying no is something that should have been right up there from the start and having that would have not biased this poll.

 

[Meleager]

So how can we say 'no comment' when a question comes up in a diplomatic meeting ...

Easy... just pretend they never asked the question

"Do you know dnuts?"
"How is the weather over there?"
"I asked do you know the dnuts?"
"The weather is very nice here."
"Are you ignoring me?"
"I hope the weather is nice tommorow."

 

[fe3333au]

@C_H ... OK because I saw that NO was not an option I guess it is biased ... but not flawed ... and a simple question of why no 'No' option would have answered things ...

At least three times Kentharu managed to deflect the question with a lot of help from the too many KISS voices just wanting to join the fun and ask their own questions ... This will not happen again ... We will be asked by KISS very directly if we have met D-Nuts ... (their logic is that 2 ship builders would have met)

@ Meleager ... I really don't see that not answering the question and in fact playing weather games in order to avoid ... would be seen as a aggressive act and would result in bad blood between the teams ...

FACT - They will meet D-Nuts soon
FACT - D-Nuts and KISS will talk
FACT - KISS will ask D-Nuts if they have met us

So it is a case of when we tell KISS ... Now or Just Before

NOT telling KISS will achieve nothing ...

A way to diffuse the trust issue is to tell KISS that we had to consult with Administrators before telling that contact had been made because we needed a ruling on the stuff RIK has just informed us ... and as mentioned it is not relevant because be are not gifting contact just telling them that we have seen another team ... that answers their question and then we say no more ...

 

[Meleager]

I wasn't suggesting we should litterally play weather games... just deflect the question like kentharu has already done.

the real problem is that we can't possibly know when the dnuts are about to meet kiss - they may already know each other

we also have to determine what we gain by not telling them