sillyness of the game

[Gaius Octavius]

That is a Hitllery Quote!

I love how you said 'Hitlery' instead of 'Hillary'... Is there a difference?

 

[T.A JONES]

Civ1 was a 'word serious kid' typa game. The music and hardline approach to evil empires might of had more to do with the timeframe in which it was built.

I thought it was cooler then lil childish jokes . This game was spiked with candy sweeter then molasses to hook the the kiddies by the masses. This group ain't no history, but how to kiss their parents asses, for the next 'flavour of the month' and a computer that passes

That was TakeTwo's envision all along when they accuired the licence. Milk it to the biggest market for the all the moola they can. Thats what we roll with now, a lil kiddie friendly game called "Sesame Civ", we play on a 'Mini Me' map built for 2 or 3. (take that as meaning MP friendly or number of Civs thats now recommend for huge maps)

Screw unwinding with cartooish pleasentrys. I wanna keep the realness drama intow when I break from a war show playin on the History, Military, or the Civilization channel(I got satallite ).
Its gotta replicate the real feel somewhat if its gunna look like something of the toon channel, instead it goes with the cartoon look to complete the comic book.

 

[Tekee]

I would like Civ drama too, the jokes arn't that funny but BURN BABY BURN is funnier then "Raze this city" so I appreciate it

 

[Dida]

I get a big kick out of Caesar offering me a salad, Al and his internet, and Ghandi saying "I studied on killin' you".

I went to a CLE (continued legal education courses for attorneys) course on e-Discovery and the instructor gave the famous Al Gore speech about how the internet has profoundly changed our life and how "there are machines that can store massive quantity of information and can send these information to other machines". I couldn't stop laughing.

 

[Pres. Slayback]

I love how you said 'Hitlery' instead of 'Hillary'... Is there a difference?

Not in my book

 

[Tukker]

I like it when there is a bit of humor in games, I still play games to just have fun.

 

[marioflag]

About diplomacy text i agree.SMAC leaders quotes gave them a lot more personality than in CIV4.

 

[Spitefire]

I feel the need to point out this odd sterio type that keeps poping up in many games the one i refer to is about realism.

For one realsim douse not have to be boreing (if the makers actully try something other then putting there customers off the idea) if the ones makeing the game think its impossable to make a game realistic and fun at the same time then thay will never make the effort needed to do it right.

 

[Rusty Edge]

Maybe I'm too demanding, but I just thought I'd see if anyone felt the same way. I still love the game.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for more history.

I also enjoy Napolean's quote about making a ship move against wind and tide by building a bonfire under her decks.


What does appeal to your senes of humor in the game? Vickki asking for coal?
Alex asking for Drama? FDR trying to buy liberalism? Churchill surrendering?
A Muslim Isabella?

 

[Lucky The Fox]

I can never understand how exactly humour is childish or how Civ IV made the francise too unserious. Every Civ-game has had its dose of comedy. They have never been totally serious games. AC might have been different, but that's because it was a different game. (And yet, it still had those book titles in the end.)

Besides, can you expect seriousness from a game in which Caesar commands an army of tanks to attack Stalin in order to secure a source of uranium?

 

[King Flevance]

It is the style of humor that I find childish, not the humor itself. Ceaser asking if you would like some salad and many other 1 liners throuout the entire game. I feel like all the other empires are 12 year olds. You can easily hear better 1 liners in the MP lobby and those are mostly lame momma jokes and the like.
Things like the "I've studied on killing you." I don't find humorous really. I find it funnier when the AI says "I wish to make peace with all my neighbors even puny ones like yours." Alot of these 1 liners I could have typed up for Firaxis in a day. So I assume they did the same which means they spent very little time on diplomatic atmosphere. Then it was passed off as 'humorous'.

 

[Mad Hab]

This isn't meant to be a rant, but just a thoughtful question: Is anyone else bothered by the sillyness of the game sometimes? The dumb comments from other leaders that are supposed to be funny, Catherine slapping you, seeing "burn, baby, burn!" when you opt to raze a city, a picture of Al Gore for the internet, and 1+1=2 for education, etc...It doesn't stop me from playing the game, but sometimes I am disappointed that the makers put in a streak of sillyness into an otherwise classy, elegant game. I know the point of the game is to have fun, but I really think it could have done without it.

I agree 100% with this post. The problem with humour is that while may you please some people, you severely desplease other people. If you go epic, you do not desplease anyone.

Catherine can slap me anytime she wants to...

Someone should send Victoria to slap this guy - it seems he will enjoy it!

Cheers,

Mad Hab

*My sweetest revenge of Catherine's slapping came on a game I was playing Russia arch-rivals, the Ottomans. While I shared my continent with Germans, Chinese, Koreans and Japanese, she was all alone in her continent, leading the game by far. I started a war to try to slow her down, and since I couldn't beat her army, I decided to send in some raids to pillage improvements. Later I bribed Bismarck to join up with me, and the next time I disembarked on a forested hill beside Moscow he had a huge column of Panzers ready to launch a all-or-nothing attack. The attack failed, but it left a pair of beaten-up troops to defend the city, and my band of pillaging-oriented units were able to capture and RAZE her capital!

After that the Russian empire never recovered. She hated me forever (Moscow was the #1 city of the world with 6 wonders) and I won a Cultural victory! Tee-hee!

 

[gallego]

Exactly, it's the atmosphere that's lacking. The game is fun mechanically speaking; the actual building and fighting parts are complex and engaging. The game just feels empty sometimes because of the silly atmosphere; it's too much of a caricature and doesn't take itself seriously.

I understand how the anachronistic leaders can be used in an iconic sense throughout different ages to create some attachment to civilizations; I also understand the paradox of using historically accurate figures and civilizations in inaccurate situations. I can get around that enough with a "recreating history" line of thinking, since all the countries and religions would be in different places.

I just think that the game killed a lot of the epic feeling that it could have had, and personally, I want a game to make me feel something, to put me into a mood, a setting, a context. Would Gladiator have been an engaging movie if the emperor made jokes about salads? With all the effort they put into creating such a detailed game engine, they could have dressed it up better, in my opinion. SMAC was about as funny as I like it, in a more intelligent type of way; I enjoyed the stereotypical factions (crazy Russian scientist, bureaucratic UN, fundamentalist Christians, etc.), but I don't enjoy puns and completely obvious, dumb-humor types of jokes.

Again, I'm not doing this just to complain, I am just curious to see if this is an accurate reflection of the gaming audience or not.

 

[marciv]

You need a sense of humour when the AI sticks it up you on a regular basis. Anyway what's wrong with having the leadership qualities of Dan Quayle, or whatever his name is. No one is following me anyway!!

 

[Looshi]

Al Gore never claimed to invent the internet. It is a blatant fabrication by the vast right wing conspiracy.

Other than that I like the humor.

True or not, it is part of pop culture now. I appreciate the little humor and details in the game. Honestly, when your fighting a nuclear war as the Aztecs there is only so much realism that you can expect.

 

[Duraska]

Yeah, I enjoy the lighterhearted humor but I hardly find the game silly when Brennus is razing my cities with his surprize army of doom! It's times like that when I wish the game was even "more" silly!

 

[Quintillus]

I would like to see more of an epic sense in the game. Part of it is that map sizes aren't as large as in CivIII, and there isn't as much of a sense of empire. Also, at least in my experience, the armies are usually much smaller than in CivIII, so it doesn't feel like you're commanding a hugely powerful force.

I think the lack of an epic sense lays more with the smaller empires with fewer troops relative to CivIII, or perhaps unit graphics that don't look imposing. The humor doesn't spoil the mood, and it's good to have some humor. And most of it only occurs when you're at peace - I can't remember Caesar ever offering me a salad when we were at war.

 

[50_dollar_bag]

I hear there's rumors on the, uh, Internets, that Al Gore invented the internets, Al Gore didn't invent the Internets, period.

 

[civzombie]

I 100% agree with the original poster. More serious reactions from the other leaders would conform to the other style elements of the game. I don't like the way their sillyness juxtaposes the serious elements of the game.

 

[Rince]

I'm not against humor but the 'caesar salad' pun is really bad IMHO. I prefer witty over ignorant humor.

I also didn't like the inclusion of Al Gore. I heard about the story behind it before but still, couldn't they just make an easter egg out of it instead of using his full portrait as a symbol?

Rince