SirPleb, Going for Sid

Originally posted by SirPleb
I feel like I've used up my quota of questionable techniques by stacking the deck with the map parameters and pulling the tricks with the Great Library :)

Great game and writeup!

I think the GL track is nice and honorable. However, if there is anything that I consider exploitative in your game, I'd say that's trapping Zulu's unit inside your territory and keeping asking it to leave.
 
Originally posted by Gogf
Wouldn't a cavalry army be a 6.3.4 unit? Why such a bonus, and why the similar bonus for knight armies?
I don't know who did the original testing and discovered the following information, but it is generally accepted as being true and matches how strong armies feel to me:

Each unit in an army, while attacking, gets an attack strength bonus which is the total of the attack strengths of all units in the army, divided by six.

When defending each unit gets a defense bonus calculated the same way but based on the total defense strengths.

When the army's Civ has built Military Tradition, the bonus is increased by changing the divisor to be 4.

So, if you load an army with all units the same type (as I've done in all cases so far in this game) and supposing those units are 6/3/3 (i.e. Cavalry) then:

Attack bonus with:
Neither Pentagon nor Military Tradition: (6+6+6)/6 = +3
Pentagon only: (6+6+6+6)/6 = +4
Military Tradition only: (6+6+6)/4 = +4 (rounded down)
Both Pentagon and Military Tradition: (6+6+6+6)/4 = +6

With Pentagon and Military Tradition, assuming you load 4 units of the same type into each army, the net result is to simply double their attack and defense stats, because the bonus is (4*X)/4 = +X :) Which makes a 4-Cavalry army into a 12/6/4 unit.

This sure makes armies powerful! And makes building Pentagon and Military Tradition a high priority if there will be much fighting in a game.
 
Originally posted by microbe
I think the GL track is nice and honorable. However, if there is anything that I consider exploitative in your game, I'd say that's trapping Zulu's unit inside your territory and keeping asking it to leave.
Interesting! I felt ok about that one because I'd decided to abide by the Zulu decision - if they agreed to leave, and/or teleported their unit out, I'd keep giving the spices they'd extorted (first time), and keep paying for our alliance (second time.) I think this just goes to show how subjective the definition of exploit can be in some cases :)
 
If I were one of your opponents, SirPleb, you would ALWAYS get my vote for the U.N. Diplomatic Victory! :)

Not to mention the "CFC-Pullitzer" prizes for game annotation AND game-rules-explanation! :goodjob: :goodjob:

IF I owned Firaxis, Qualicum Beach would be on my list of recruitment towns! :lol: (In fact I'll be driving near/thru there on my drive from Guadalajara to Calgary this May!)
 
Sir Pleb, do you have a very early save? I'm going to play my first Sid game, and although it is cheap to know what will come, you managed to get 4 settler factories, and it's so hard to find a suitable map (Map Finder seems to ignore what I tell it to find me :lol:). If you do, thank you so much! If you don't, well, thanks anyway :).
 
Originally posted by Gogf
(Map Finder seems to ignore what I tell it to find me :lol:).

If your delay timing is too fast or your auto save directory isn't the right one, it won't find any map. In the next version, I will do something about that.
 
What do you mean by delay timing?

Also, I changed what the autosave directory said to:

C:\Program Files\Infogrames Interactive\Civilization III\Conquests\Saves\Auto

I installed C3C in the default location, so is my path correct?
 
Originally posted by Gogf
Sir Pleb, do you have a very early save?
Do you mean of the game I'm playing? I have the 4000BC of that if you want to practice from that start. If you mean another one which seems worth playing out, sorry, I didn't keep any others.
 
Yes, I mean from this one. I want to see how long I can survive on Sid, and try to ignore what I know about the map already. You could please post the 4000 BC save? It's the best start I have ever seen. Thank you so much!
 
Originally posted by Gogf
I want to see how long I can survive on Sid
Additionally, you could also download DaveMcW's winning start position from the Sid-Level HOF Table! ;)
 
Originally posted by EMan
Additionally, you could also download DaveMcW's winning start position from the Sid-Level HOF Table! ;)

I'll look at it, and judge the positions ;). But, I'll probably use SirPleb's, because it is great!
 
Yes, DaveMcW's start position is nothing too special (he even moves his Settler before building the first city).....BUT, there are at least 3 plusses:
1. Tiny Map......short game
2. Well-positioned AI's & Resources (For YOU that is!)
3. It's win-able

This in no way detracts from SirPleb's great game, annotation and screenshots.........It's just that there's NOT that much Sid-Level info around the HOF! :)
 
SirPleb, I don't know how, but you've captivated me. I seriously find myself thinking about your game during class and while I'm playing, mostly worrying about the Incans culture. I'm rooting hard for your calvary armies against the millions of Incans and even put them in my latest game just to bash them a little.

mmmm... people around me think i have a pretty normal social life. If they only knew!

Travis
 
Originally posted by travis555
I'm rooting hard for your calvary armies against the millions of Incans and even put them in my latest game just to bash them a little.
Thanks Travis! Bash them a lot even! :)

I'm not finished with the Inca by a long shot but I have made a first dent in them and I think I was over-concerned about their culture. I've slowed it a bit by taking a few cities. But wow, do they ever have a lot of units! I'm hopeful that tonight I'll make a big dent. Since they seem to like attacking my towns, I'm going to try giving them a strongly defended one as a target and hope they take the bait :)
 
Indeed, thank you for the fabulous write-up, SirPleb. What great strategy and planning--from the settler and worker/warrior pumps to the Great Library loan through the Zulu core attack. Amazing and enlightening.

I wish I had read that bit about the computer deciding to attack armies when they are in a city on his continent sooner: yesterday, I had three, two-unit, Swiss Merc armies that I landed on a Sid opponents continent. He had cavalry--hordes of them--but didn't attack. I built a nice little hilltop city so I could add my third and fourth units to each army, and PLOOEY, adios to 3 armies, 10 longbowmen, 34 swiss mercs and 85 trebuchets.
 
Originally posted by bradleyfeanor
I built a nice little hilltop city so I could add my third and fourth units to each army, and PLOOEY, adios to 3 armies, 10 longbowmen, 34 swiss mercs and 85 trebuchets.
Why do you need a city to add units to an army. I was playing a PTW AW last night and I was able to load units into army while in the field. Is this a Conquests change?
Also on the game at hand. Truly amazing work.
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@Barbslinger

Oh my God. Uh, thanks. How idiotic of me that I have always assumed I had to be in a city. I think I shall plead the Fifth and not mention how long I have been playing under that false assumption

:rolleyes:
 
I am speechless, SirPleb.. and I bow down in the dust (Conan is not much of a bower, but in this case he has no problem at all)

I think I have tried 30 times to start a Sid game. Needless to say, I gave up after few turns when they start extorting me for writing or philosophy. The GL plan fails every time. I start to look for reasons why I lose. One of them is of course INCOMPETENCE. The other is (hope I am not rude) that I NEVER get a starting location like yours, dear SirPleb. Rivers, a cow and a clean sheet of green plains with nice REX-ing propositions.

Dont misunderstand, I am not anywhere near saying that I would do as well as you IF I got such a start location. The truth lies closer to me being close to the edge of insanity. I HATE the Zulus, I want to strange every Mayan with my mouse cable, I want to stick my monitor up the Aztecs rear end.. if u catch my drift.. they all treat me like DIRT.

Reading ur thread is the ONLY consellation I have, seeing how u kick major ass. It is truly amazing :goodjob:

If u have time, maybe you could answer some Q's ?
I know you are very busy and that it must take a lot of time making this thread the way it is. It is immensely good and detailed.

First.. what is your score now ?
Second.. How do u make these nice screenshots ? into what program do u paste them ?
Third.. Can you use a special program to get a nice startlocation ?
Fourth and last... Is there any hope for impatient players like me to win Sid level ? :lol:
 
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